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I applaud your open support to child slave labor. We will definitely save this planet one electric bike/car at a time.
I applaud your ability to ignore 99% of what he said just to keep your narrative going. That's commitment homie.
Tell us, what have you done to combat child slave labor since it's something you are so passionate about?
Maybe he abstained from buying av EV. Would that not help?
Easy, I burn as much gasoline/diesel as I can. Tractors, trucks, bikes, yard equipment, all internal combustion engines. Live as much as possible off my acreage and our community of ranchers, only use the store for specialty items. Don't buy into the global communist agenda, you can be self-sufficient. This electric push is only designed to control you.
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Thank you.
That is very expensive. That will drastically change a used Starks value after a few years when a battery goes flat.
I may not be an electrical engineer but I am pretty sure the load cycle of a Tesla is not the same as a Varg racing. That would impact longevity I believe.
Makes complete sense....I mean nothing bad happens in the world related to oil extraction right?
A couple takes from the automotive world, where they are starting to see reality on EV's. Take a look in the business news lately, and you can see some severe backpedaling by the automakers.
"Everyone wanted to get a jump on their neighbor and invested heavily in EVs, falsely believing that the novelty of EVs would not wear off on society as quickly as it has. Tesla's incomparable market value kicked other OEMs into gear, but they hadn't yet figured out which way to turn the wheel, so they just aimed directly at Tesla, which operates nothing like a normal car company. They all prepared for a full-scale switch to electrification at the end of the decade or thereabouts, and none of them thought about what would happen if the electric revolution didn't continuously gain momentum. Or if the economy took a turn for the worse..."
"When these cars were something new and different, people would spend fortunes on the first examples"
^^ Quotes by Sebastian Cenizio ^^
He's convinced he only uses fair trade oil.
Just like a 4 stroke with a blown up engine is worth drastically less than one that has been kept up with.
There are places that rebuild batteries and in 10 years the battery that you buy will most likely have double the range and or weigh less.
Try riding a 125 , 450 any gas bike for 10 years without changing/cleaning the air filter, never do any valve adjustments, change the oil 1 time per year, never change any oil or fuel filters and tell me how well the bike performs.
Both bikes are going to cost money to keep going. For some people the Varg will be more fun and fit into their lives better. and the same for gas bikes. You can not compare the cost of riding a 20 year old 2 stroke for 10 hours each year to riding a modified 250f 200 hours per year. Same thing with an electric.
Read his post history and tell me if you truly believe his concern is the environment and African child labor lol
He's just worried about big communism trying to trick you into buying the latest mass produced products.
I'd be willing to bet in ten years, we'll here lots of voices around the world saying "How could we be so blind with that electric craze?" since something way smarter will have surfaced...
If mother earth hasn't exploded by then, that is.
There's a difference in the viability of the entire automotive industry being electric for our transportation needs, and a dirtbike for fun being powered by a battery that you can have a generator to charge.
It's a dirt bike that's fun to ride. I want to ride it. We're starting to debate something entirely different here.
Ahh yes, in 10 years there will be no demand for better batteries to power our phones, computers, earbuds, lights, power tools, vapes, and other things that haven't been invented yet.
Better batteries will happen regardless of what happens in the vehicle industries.
My 20 year old 2.stroke is running at a lot better than 80% of what it was when new, and the range is exactly the same as when it was new, and I can recharge in 1 minute, just like when it was new.
It's had a few pistons , some spark plugs , oil, filters etc., but they do not come to anywhere near the $7000 cost of a replacement battery for a Stark, so this " what about ICE maintenance" argument/deflection doesn't really add up.
kit LOL. in the USA its gear. maybe you're a transplant.
Let's simplify this.
Price of say buying a 5 year old YZ250 two stroke that needs a top end vs a 5 year Stark that needs a new battery. $300 vs $7000?
This electric thing is in it's infancy. We don't know how long a battery may or may not last but it's been my experience that batteries seem to last a long time or die early for no good reason.
Pit Row
Idiot troll
And if You were to replace the engine instead of rebuilding it, you would spend a bunch more money than rebuilding it cost right?
Why would You not rebuild the battery instead of throwing it out?
What I was saying about maintanance is that if You are riding 20 hours a year. Of course its NOT going to be similar cost levels. Just like if You compare the maintenance costs of a racer running a modified 4 stroke, riding 20 hours per week to what You spend. The projections for battery life are averaged out. Based on being used a lot. If Your bike sits more than you ride it. its not a real comparison to compare what You will spend on a battery since Your not going to be wearing out the battery either.
If You go off of the chart of a battery and range loss that was posted. Let Both bikes sit for 10 years. Then You top off the charge change the tiny amount of gearbox oil , go out and ride and You might have 20% less range. But after not riding anything for 10 years will You ride long enough to kill the battery before You want to rest?
Take Your 20 year old bike that has been sitting . You will have to at minimum buy a new air filter, clean the carb or efi system unless You spent the time to properly prep the bike for storage ,either way You will spend some time on that. Change the oil. Drive and buy some gas and mix it. Then You are ready to go.
And If You are only riding 20 hours per year every 10 years, Chances are the Varg runtime will still be longer than You can ride.
But really Just ride whatever You want. All of the things that make an electric bike fun to ride for some, may not be fun for others.
Again, why are You comparing the cost of repairing an engine VS replacing a battery. How about compare the cost of a brand new engine to the cost of a new battery. Or compare the cost to repair a battery.
And my point was that the Varg is a high performance bike. Comparing it to somebody on a play bike maintenance schedule , of course it's not similar at all. With a Varg You get performance levels that Gas can not touch as far as overall HP,Torque and adjustability along with being near silent.
You will spend a bunch more keeping a gas engine with a similar level of power alive over the same amount of hours in similar riding conditions .
IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO CLEAN AN AIR FILTER (mineral spirits and air, so difficult)
OR
CHANGE THE OIL (drain the oil and refill, hella hard)
OR
CLEAN A CARBURETOR (drop the bowl, pull the jets and spray with carb cleaner... again so hard)
Stark supporters justify spending $14k just to skip the basic engine maintenance..... queens
And still have only 20% of the power a Varg has.
Missing my point totally. Compare it to the bikes and motors it out performs powerwise.
You could get more power and an easier to ride power from a Varg than a factory race engine. With much less cost and lower maintenance. Plus You can not get the same style power from a gas engine.
I am saying they are 2 different things. Like comparing a gas F150 to a F550 with a powerstroke. If You are working the 150 like the 550 Your going to wear it out much quicker and spend more on it.
But If Your driving the 550 as a daily driver , empty and not working it. It will have cost you more for stuff You do not need or use. You wouldn't be looking at buying an F150 if You needed a F550. You would look at a GM 5500 or Ram as more comparable.
Get as mad as you want but the minimal maintenance is a plus and it's clearly not the only reason someone would buy one.
Let's be very conservative and say you have to replace the battery after 1000 cycles, so about 750 h run time. Honest question, what would be the engine-related maintenance costs (including filters and everything) for 2 strokes with this run time?
And how much would cost the fuel and oil for 750 h run time?
The electricity bill, using an average US cost of 16 cents/kWh would be $1 for every charge so about $1000 for 750 h run time (but maybe you use a generator half the time, at least in the first years).
In this worst case scenario for electrics, cost is about $8000 for 750 h so 10-11 $/h (including "fuel", "engine", excluding tires, chains, brakes).
May I ask what plug do you need for it to use 110 or 220 volts? I got my bike but have not yet unboxed it. Thank you
For those of you with high ethics standards such as demonstrated by Andrew, you will be delighted to know that half of EV sold last year in China (60% of global market for EV with 6 million sales, so we're talking about 30% of global sales) did not contain cobalt, and it's rising.
Another example is that half of Tesla cars produced last year did not contain any Co.
So if, just like Andrew, you're dying to buy a Stark Varg, but refrain from it purely because of Co usage and your high standards, sadly you will have to wait for some time until they switch to LFP, just like car makers are doing right now. Luckily for you it may not be that long.
Seriously, you do not need to invent crazy reasons to not like electric dirtbikes, nobody is asking you to buy one, nobody cares why you don't like them, it's a matter of preference, no need to explain. Just ride whatever you want and let others do the same, is that so hard to understand?
Study: Cost of ‘fueling’ an electric vehicle is equivalent to $17.33 per gallon
https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_a609f8aa-7443-11ee-83d…
You know something is fucking bad ass when you see the extreme lengths the haters will go to discredit it.
Who knew that you could end child slavery and help the environment by not buying a Stark.....fucking saving the world these guys are. Bravo boys!
There is so much more than the lack of maintanance that gets me excited about Electric MX bikes. I feel like it could help evolve chassis design. and make a lot of things possible that are just not possible with a gas engine.
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