Mike alessi crash today?

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One of the boys that rides with me was at GH earlier this year. He was out in practice with MM25 and JA21. My kid is 14 and has NO business being on a track at the same time as any A class or above rider. Just stupid.

I've refused to go to tracks that don't have splits. And I bitch to the operators of tracks that do bad splits - like a few weeks ago when they ran Beginner, Vet, and 85s all in one session at a local track. 50 riders with massively different abilities and thought processes out there at once. To add to it they allowed a few of the really fast guys to go out too! What a shit show. I had A riders scrub past me at warp 8 while I was trying to avoid an 85cc bike that was down in front of me. Eventually I got landed on by a 450 beginner that whiskey throttled off a face behind me. Didn't get hurt but that was a matter of luck and 6".

Track operators are responsible for running a safe operation by properly managing what they can control. Who is allowed to ride together is one very easy way to impact safety. Yeah, it might mean more splits and less track time than open sessions. So?

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stremme12 wrote:
Maybe Mr.Info can chime in.
sumdood wrote:
Pretty sure Mr. Info is now Mr. No Info

He only has something to say when bad shit happens at somewhere other than Glen Helen.
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Blame pie:

65% Rider that got landed on
30% Glen Helen
5% Mike Alessi


Most important thing is I hope the guy is ok other than being sore as a mother effer.
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McG194 wrote:
Blame pie: 65% Rider that got landed on 30% Glen Helen 5% Mike Alessi Most important thing is I hope the guy is ok other than...
Blame pie:

65% Rider that got landed on
30% Glen Helen
5% Mike Alessi


Most important thing is I hope the guy is ok other than being sore as a mother effer.
Fix it for you
69.9999% Rider that got landed on
30% Glen Helen
.0001% Mike Alessi
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11/8/2021 11:43am Edited Date/Time 11/8/2021 11:44am
Sorry guys and and ladies like Bruce372 I was not there this Saturday or Sunday so I can't say. I did hear they cut off taking entries on Saturday. Do I like what I heard happened and saw on Video no but that was never anything I was involved in. With about 900 entries a day my opinion which means nothing it should be a 3 day racing with Thursday practice. I can say Lori at Glen Helen was concerned about the track and made several changes from what was laid out by Jody that she felt was unsafe that I do know.
You don't have to like the place or even ride the place but if you were a business man and saw the video that was put out on the cost to run a National and still not say MX Sports is not like the GP's your blind. I support the Nationals going back to Glen Helen but I am ok if it never does just as well. See its not about them anymore its about me. I have left working for Lori at Glen Helen because for me it was time. I'm 65 and want me time and can quit worrying about all the whining bitches who race anymore. Have a good life.
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McG194 wrote:
Blame pie: 65% Rider that got landed on 30% Glen Helen 5% Mike Alessi Most important thing is I hope the guy is ok other than...
Blame pie:

65% Rider that got landed on
30% Glen Helen
5% Mike Alessi


Most important thing is I hope the guy is ok other than being sore as a mother effer.
yak651 wrote:
Fix it for you
69.9999% Rider that got landed on
30% Glen Helen
.0001% Mike Alessi
The only reason I'm giving any blame to Mike is that at the end of the day the rider is ultimately responsible for where their bike goes. I don't have a view from the rider's perspective but maybe he could have jumped to the right a bit.
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Has anyone confirmed yet if it was a double gate situation or a last lap/first lap situation?
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100% the fault of the spode coasting around looking at the people on the side of the track. Plenty of spots to get off the track if your hurt, spent, don’t gaf, etc. Anyone who thinks any track should be at fault for similar actions is an idiot.
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Either a 2 or 3 gate. Lap times were almost 3 minutes. This is know from Friday.
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Anyone blaming Alessi is either a hater or not very knowledgeable on racing at that level. Dude that got landed on fucked up and sounds like should not have even been on the track or Glen Helen fucked up and dropped a gate to soon. Based on history likely GH fucked up.
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Mr. Info wrote:
Sorry guys and and ladies like Bruce372 I was not there this Saturday or Sunday so I can't say. I did hear they cut off taking...
Sorry guys and and ladies like Bruce372 I was not there this Saturday or Sunday so I can't say. I did hear they cut off taking entries on Saturday. Do I like what I heard happened and saw on Video no but that was never anything I was involved in. With about 900 entries a day my opinion which means nothing it should be a 3 day racing with Thursday practice. I can say Lori at Glen Helen was concerned about the track and made several changes from what was laid out by Jody that she felt was unsafe that I do know.
You don't have to like the place or even ride the place but if you were a business man and saw the video that was put out on the cost to run a National and still not say MX Sports is not like the GP's your blind. I support the Nationals going back to Glen Helen but I am ok if it never does just as well. See its not about them anymore its about me. I have left working for Lori at Glen Helen because for me it was time. I'm 65 and want me time and can quit worrying about all the whining bitches who race anymore. Have a good life.
Lol.... not one thing about this incident has anything to do with Nationals or MX sports.

For someone to use such a terrible incident as a means to grind an axe and stir the shit about something completely unrelated is quite simply pathetic.
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McG194 wrote:
Blame pie: 65% Rider that got landed on 30% Glen Helen 5% Mike Alessi Most important thing is I hope the guy is ok other than...
Blame pie:

65% Rider that got landed on
30% Glen Helen
5% Mike Alessi


Most important thing is I hope the guy is ok other than being sore as a mother effer.
I’d say more 80% glen helen for putting bikes with that speed difference on the track at the same time

10% the guy that got landed on , and 10% Alessi as both could have ridden differently and stopped it.
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Bruce Thank you very much for your opinion, it was so spot on. Sorry.
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11/8/2021 3:09pm
McG194 wrote:
Blame pie: 65% Rider that got landed on 30% Glen Helen 5% Mike Alessi Most important thing is I hope the guy is ok other than...
Blame pie:

65% Rider that got landed on
30% Glen Helen
5% Mike Alessi


Most important thing is I hope the guy is ok other than being sore as a mother effer.
0% Mike Alessi . How can you put any blame on him .
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11/8/2021 3:12pm Edited Date/Time 11/8/2021 6:01pm
luke11 wrote:
Promotor had a nice pay day though so I’m sure he’s happy and will continue to have mixed gates.. Ales I said he was lapping 60secs...
Promotor had a nice pay day though so I’m sure he’s happy and will continue to have mixed gates..
Ales I said he was lapping 60secs a lap quicker than some people in the race, wtf there is no way that should be allowed. Would think with how sue happy Californians are one of these promotors would have been done by now
McG194 wrote:
Mixing classes with that much difference in speed is borderline criminal. That being said your own personal safety needs to be your primary concern and not...
Mixing classes with that much difference in speed is borderline criminal.

That being said your own personal safety needs to be your primary concern and not leave it up to others. Mike Alessi is still one of the fastest 50-100 riders in the world, if you look down the line and you know you're not in that zip code get the hell out of the line.
cwel11 wrote:
So the first supercross futures race was held at Doublin Gap a couple weeks ago. Happened to glance at the gate and saw a bike I...
So the first supercross futures race was held at Doublin Gap a couple weeks ago. Happened to glance at the gate and saw a bike I happened to see out with the C class practice and the rider absolutely belonged in that practice. Thought to myself there’s no way he’s going off the gate with those guys. Yup. He did, and literally almost got taken out when he got lapped in 2 laps. The guy that day had no business being out there and should’ve known it. It’s not on the track owners, flaggers, or anyone else at that point. Self awareness unfortunately is going the way of the dodo.
In MMA, the ref is not only there to enforce the rules, but also to save the fighter from themselves if they start getting in over their head. In the example you used, the flaggers/track crew should have done exactly that, and black flagged the guy who had no business being on the track with the fast guys. At that point, they're a danger to themselves and everyone else on the track.


Mr. Info, I've said it before about you, and I'll say it again; you do your employer no favors when you post here.
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11/8/2021 3:40pm Edited Date/Time 11/8/2021 3:49pm
RonSkj wrote:
To say the promoter or anyone else is at fault, is just stupid. The only one at fault was the rider that decided to not ride...
To say the promoter or anyone else is at fault, is just stupid. The only one at fault was the rider that decided to not ride at race pace. From this video, there's no way to judge how fast the guy is capable of riding, as it's obvious he was just riding slow for what ever reason. Like Jason Anderson getting landed on at the motocross de nations. Who's fault was that?
scott_nz wrote:
The promoter has a responsibility not to put classes with lap times so different together , but Glen Helen is not world renowned for their safety...
The promoter has a responsibility not to put classes with lap times so different together , but Glen Helen is not world renowned for their safety practices are they
So you think the guy that got landed on was not capable of a faster speed ? How do you know what his lap times would be if he was at race speed. He chose not to go fast enough but remain on the track.
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11/8/2021 4:00pm
I was right there when this accident happened. I shot this event all day Saturday and Sunday. The video cuts off a few seconds before I ran up and checked out the downed rider, Scott Oltman who was indeed in the same race as Alessi, but racing the +50 PRO class. He was a lapper.

Other things to know:
Where the collision took place is right about where the racers exit the track. I don't know if Scott was motioning to exit or waving at family/friends just before Mike landed on him, but it would have been perfectly appropriate for him to slide to his left to exit the race, this would support Alessi's comment that Scott slid over. If you know that jump, you're blind for a second as you approach the lip. The timing of the crash would for 100% certainty mean Alessi had no clue Scott was sliding over until it was too late.
I believe this was on lap 2 or 3.
After the collision, they re-racked em' and did 4 laps, which Alessi won.
I heard Alessi talking after the race and he was genuinely bummed for the other guy.
After the 2nd moto, Alessi was doubled over in pain and clearly banged up, too.

Hoping to share some more light on this since the cancel culture of 2021 is clearly entrenched in our sport of MOTO and everyone wants to point a finger and tear each other apart. In my opinion, racing 20 years and most of those at Glen Helen, this was 100% a racing incident with zero blame on Glen Helen, Alessi or Scott.

This was a racing incident.




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spimx wrote:
I wonder what practice that was? If you are on track with pros maybe keep your head on strait.
wm741 wrote:
It was a race. They threw a C class on the second gate of the A class is what I’ve heard.
If that’s true…wow that’s almost impressively stupid
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McG194 wrote:
Blame pie: 65% Rider that got landed on 30% Glen Helen 5% Mike Alessi Most important thing is I hope the guy is ok other than...
Blame pie:

65% Rider that got landed on
30% Glen Helen
5% Mike Alessi


Most important thing is I hope the guy is ok other than being sore as a mother effer.
brimx153 wrote:
0% Mike Alessi . How can you put any blame on him .
I don’t blame him but it does seem like Mike moves from right to the left quite a bit in the video. The other guy was going slow enough that I feel Mike probably should’ve been able to see him when he was in the air the jump prior.
Tough vid to really tell and to be fair I have no idea how the track looks at someone like Mike’s speed.

Big thing for me is no way 30+ pro class should be racing at the same time as 50+ 125. That doesn’t seem right at all.
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11/8/2021 4:28pm
One of the boys that rides with me was at GH earlier this year. He was out in practice with MM25 and JA21. My kid is...
One of the boys that rides with me was at GH earlier this year. He was out in practice with MM25 and JA21. My kid is 14 and has NO business being on a track at the same time as any A class or above rider. Just stupid.

I've refused to go to tracks that don't have splits. And I bitch to the operators of tracks that do bad splits - like a few weeks ago when they ran Beginner, Vet, and 85s all in one session at a local track. 50 riders with massively different abilities and thought processes out there at once. To add to it they allowed a few of the really fast guys to go out too! What a shit show. I had A riders scrub past me at warp 8 while I was trying to avoid an 85cc bike that was down in front of me. Eventually I got landed on by a 450 beginner that whiskey throttled off a face behind me. Didn't get hurt but that was a matter of luck and 6".

Track operators are responsible for running a safe operation by properly managing what they can control. Who is allowed to ride together is one very easy way to impact safety. Yeah, it might mean more splits and less track time than open sessions. So?

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It's a great way to look at it. Funny to see that big tracks tolerate high risks. For my part, I don't want to see the paramedics and not have done my best to keep the whole group safe.
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11/8/2021 4:37pm Edited Date/Time 11/8/2021 4:58pm
i will never understand how cali just lets goons on the track with pros, and everyone just seems to go along with it.
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And it looks like he was signed up in 125 pro, so GH didn’t mix his class with the pros?
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And it looks like he was signed up in 125 pro, so GH didn’t mix his class with the pros?
Nvm I missed the post above. 50 pro?
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Sully I don't work for Glen Helen. I worked for Lori and as of Friday I am no longer working for Lori at my choice. But thank you for your opinion.
From what I heard from other people douglasredding called it pretty good. Would I have made the choice to have them out there at the same time, No. But he was riding in the 125 + 50 pro race. Was he a pro I don't know. From the looks of it maybe not but not my call and race scheduling was never what I did.
Racing motorcycles is dangerous in any form. Accept it and enjoy it or walk away and quit judging that's Gods job.
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Has anyone confirmed yet if it was a double gate situation or a last lap/first lap situation?
half way through moto 1
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Mr. Info wrote:
Sully I don't work for Glen Helen. I worked for Lori and as of Friday I am no longer working for Lori at my choice. But...
Sully I don't work for Glen Helen. I worked for Lori and as of Friday I am no longer working for Lori at my choice. But thank you for your opinion.
From what I heard from other people douglasredding called it pretty good. Would I have made the choice to have them out there at the same time, No. But he was riding in the 125 + 50 pro race. Was he a pro I don't know. From the looks of it maybe not but not my call and race scheduling was never what I did.
Racing motorcycles is dangerous in any form. Accept it and enjoy it or walk away and quit judging that's Gods job.
youre wrong AGAIN 50 Plus open race
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spimx wrote:
I wonder what practice that was? If you are on track with pros maybe keep your head on strait.
wm741 wrote:
It was a race. They threw a C class on the second gate of the A class is what I’ve heard.
murph783 wrote:
If that’s true…wow that’s almost impressively stupid
What if I told you it wasn't true, or better yet, after 3 pages and the schedule even posted, why would you even consider that it might be true?
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