Another Ken Roczen Update: Latest Elbow Surgery

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hope for the best and about 30 years of technology since..........2 words........Rick Johnson Whistling Sad Unsure
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I didn't read the whole 14 pages and not sure if this has been brought up already, but are there any long term effects of being put under 9 times in a month? I hear is not really good for you
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The way this all has unfolded has really been depressing.. For the fans and for Ken. We've all missed out on the potential this season had to be great and he missed out on a possible championship that was looking to be pretty likely especially with how Dungey has been looking lately. Of course his crash looked bad, but I never would've thought the injury would require 9 surgeries and had the potential to cause the loss of his arm.

God damnit, this sport is amazing but brutal. What other sport does about a quarter of the field get injured in a season? I love motocross, but I also hate it sometimes..
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It seems crazy to me (a non-medical professional) that they are just now, a month after the injury, discovering the true extent of the damage (i.e., the prior x-rays, diagnostics, surgeries, etc. did not reveal the true extent of the damage). I hope that just means more surgeries and recovery time, and not permanent loss of use.

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MDMCG 2/24/2017 11:04am
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ganny wrote:
It seems crazy to me (a non-medical professional) that they are just now, a month after the injury, discovering the true extent of the damage (i.e...
It seems crazy to me (a non-medical professional) that they are just now, a month after the injury, discovering the true extent of the damage (i.e., the prior x-rays, diagnostics, surgeries, etc. did not reveal the true extent of the damage). I hope that just means more surgeries and recovery time, and not permanent loss of use.

It's not that simple. From his x-rays, he broke his wrist, distal radius, and likely bones in his elbow. He dislocated his elbow and his ulnar-radius joint. I'm sure the ligaments in his wrist/URJ/elbow were affected as well. In addition, he was on his way to compartment syndrome which is what lead to his fasciotomy and external fixation.

These things require a stages approach to address the more serious issues first and the less serious issues at a later date.

I for one am rooting for him to get these done and start the rehab process as soon as it's reasonable. I'm sure he and his team is as well.
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tcallahan707 2/24/2017 11:06am
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None of us know the exact details, nor have the expertise to interpret them. But my speculation is that the whole "loss of his arm" was directly due to compartment syndrome. That's why they cut his whole arm open. It's simply to allow the swelling to expand without restricting bloodflow. Arm pump is a small scale version of this. I do not think he almost lost his arm because of the severity of the injuries themselves.

I have a friend who broke an ankle and had compartment syndrome. The doc was negligent and it cost my friend his foot and the doc's insurance a lot of money. It's not anything an average doctor who listens to their patient would miss. Kenny will be back. The biggest concern is the scaphoid. That receives no blood flow and can be problematic when trying to not let die.
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TriRacer27 2/24/2017 11:13am
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Yeah, things look pretty bad for sure. Every doc I've asked about this has said something to the effect of not a chance. But you know...
Yeah, things look pretty bad for sure. Every doc I've asked about this has said something to the effect of not a chance.

But you know what, Kenny is special. There is a reason why he was riding at the level he was at, and it wasn't merely talent. We all know how tough our sport is, it's one of the toughest in the world. If you think about the kind of person it takes to make it to the top in our sport, you realize that you can't look at the average population as a metric for how Kenny will do going through this. He has the best doctors and team around him, so if ever there was a person who could defy medical statistics for an injury like this, it's Kenny.

It'll take a long time, and it will be amazing if he is on the line in 2018, but I'm still optimistic.
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"not a chance" as in that he'll ride again, or that he'll be as fast?
Of regaining full strength, full ROM and getting his arm back to 100%, which may or may not keep him from ever riding at the same level again. Kenny could probably ride a full SX track with only his right hand on the bars. The question was more if he could get back to his former level of physical performance.
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mauidex wrote:
hope for the best and about 30 years of technology since..........2 words........Rick Johnson Whistling Sad Unsure
What do you mean?
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Gutted for the young man...When i first saw the crash, i was relieved it was ONLY a broken arm. Now, its a lot worse than i imagined. When you think of a broken arm, you never think of it being this extreme. Hoping the best for him, he has had a rough few weeks to say the least.
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dmac1 2/24/2017 7:30pm
2/24/2017 7:30pm Edited Date/Time 2/24/2017 7:33pm
I'm not a doctor, but I've been Dr. Viola's patient through multiple surgeries. Heres a few thoughts:

Regarding the potential loss of his arm, tcallahan707 is spot on. It was due to compartment syndrome. Thats why Dr. Viola operated on him Sunday night....about 24 hours after his crash and why his arm was left open. It can happen to anyone...if you've followed Ken's Instagram, he talked about the swelling and you could see it.

Tcallahan is also right that the scaphoid is problematic, but if Ken loses his, its not the end of riding for him. I don't have a scaphoid and I ride (off-road). My scaphoid issue is partly why I went to see Dr. Viola. So saving it isn't critical to riding, but it is for full range of motion (which I don't have). But its Ken's left hand and its my left hand too...so you can get by just fine.

I think the 'its worse than they thought' part is a bit out of place in Ken's last Insta post. That is unless he is now talking about his elbow...but I don't think so.

Dr. Viola did have a hard time with Ken's surgery last Friday. That was the wrist surgery/scaphoid repair. I think the ligaments that hold his wrist bones in position are one of the big challenges...again, thats why I saw Dr. Viola. If the ligaments don't hold the bones in proper position, then the bones rotate and your wrist hurts cuz the bones contact each other and ROM is limited. A problematic one is the scapho-lunate ligament...again, first hand knowledge. I'm guessing Ken also has cartilage damage in his wrist...I mean it was dislocated...so stuff was smashed hard and moved out of position.

See the 3rd paragraph of the document in the link for more details.
http://www.handandwristinstitute.com/cartilage-tears-wrist-doctor/
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ganny wrote:
It seems crazy to me (a non-medical professional) that they are just now, a month after the injury, discovering the true extent of the damage (i.e...
It seems crazy to me (a non-medical professional) that they are just now, a month after the injury, discovering the true extent of the damage (i.e., the prior x-rays, diagnostics, surgeries, etc. did not reveal the true extent of the damage). I hope that just means more surgeries and recovery time, and not permanent loss of use.

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It's not that simple. From his x-rays, he broke his wrist, distal radius, and likely bones in his elbow. He dislocated his elbow and his ulnar-radius...
It's not that simple. From his x-rays, he broke his wrist, distal radius, and likely bones in his elbow. He dislocated his elbow and his ulnar-radius joint. I'm sure the ligaments in his wrist/URJ/elbow were affected as well. In addition, he was on his way to compartment syndrome which is what lead to his fasciotomy and external fixation.

These things require a stages approach to address the more serious issues first and the less serious issues at a later date.

I for one am rooting for him to get these done and start the rehab process as soon as it's reasonable. I'm sure he and his team is as well.
With you being a DR , what's your opinion on Kenny's recovery? Do you think it's possible for a close to 100% rehabilitation , 95% , 85% , 50% ? What do you think is possible after what has happened?
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MDMCG 2/25/2017 8:56am
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ganny wrote:
It seems crazy to me (a non-medical professional) that they are just now, a month after the injury, discovering the true extent of the damage (i.e...
It seems crazy to me (a non-medical professional) that they are just now, a month after the injury, discovering the true extent of the damage (i.e., the prior x-rays, diagnostics, surgeries, etc. did not reveal the true extent of the damage). I hope that just means more surgeries and recovery time, and not permanent loss of use.

MDMCG wrote:
It's not that simple. From his x-rays, he broke his wrist, distal radius, and likely bones in his elbow. He dislocated his elbow and his ulnar-radius...
It's not that simple. From his x-rays, he broke his wrist, distal radius, and likely bones in his elbow. He dislocated his elbow and his ulnar-radius joint. I'm sure the ligaments in his wrist/URJ/elbow were affected as well. In addition, he was on his way to compartment syndrome which is what lead to his fasciotomy and external fixation.

These things require a stages approach to address the more serious issues first and the less serious issues at a later date.

I for one am rooting for him to get these done and start the rehab process as soon as it's reasonable. I'm sure he and his team is as well.
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With you being a DR , what's your opinion on Kenny's recovery? Do you think it's possible for a close to 100% rehabilitation , 95%...
With you being a DR , what's your opinion on Kenny's recovery? Do you think it's possible for a close to 100% rehabilitation , 95% , 85% , 50% ? What do you think is possible after what has happened?
I'm not even going to begin to speculate. We will see in time. That's the most accurate thing that anyone can say at this point.
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jeffro503 2/25/2017 10:36am
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MDMCG wrote:
I'm not even going to begin to speculate. We will see in time. That's the most accurate thing that anyone can say at this point.
I hear ya. Seems like a lot of unknown's and variables in Kenny's injuries.
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SlowMoFo 2/25/2017 11:03am
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Looking at those pictures, there has been a lot of muscle damage. I hope he can fully recover but its not looking good!
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I THINK MIKE WEB SHOUD OF SINE THIS GUY TO KEEP RIDING SUSZUKI AFTER HE WIND THE TITEL THEN HE MIGHT NOT OF SMASHED
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It's not funny anymore.
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ganny wrote:
It seems crazy to me (a non-medical professional) that they are just now, a month after the injury, discovering the true extent of the damage (i.e...
It seems crazy to me (a non-medical professional) that they are just now, a month after the injury, discovering the true extent of the damage (i.e., the prior x-rays, diagnostics, surgeries, etc. did not reveal the true extent of the damage). I hope that just means more surgeries and recovery time, and not permanent loss of use.

I wouldn't want to be any place else except Vail Colorado for an injury like he has.
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mauidex wrote:
hope for the best and about 30 years of technology since..........2 words........Rick Johnson Whistling Sad Unsure
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What do you mean?
A 1989 wrist injury on Rick Johnson's throttle hand had ended his career. At the time of injury, RJ was on pace to win at least 4 more titles (no one could touch him 1989) and would of had ended with +40 supercross wins. The doctors could not repair his injured wrist --- it eventually was fused. In 1990 he won two nationals could not hold onto the bike and retired in 1991. I believe he was 27 years old at retirement.

I believe Roczen's injury occurred on his clutch hand and medical surgeries have advanced since 1989.

RJ is my all time favorite with KR in my top 5. I was hoping to see Roczen at the 2017 MEC ---- now 2018A1 and mayben even 2018 Nationals? Opinions on length of comeback?

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Get well soon Roczen
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mauidex wrote:
hope for the best and about 30 years of technology since..........2 words........Rick Johnson Whistling Sad Unsure
kzizok wrote:
What do you mean?
bd wrote:
A 1989 wrist injury on Rick Johnson's throttle hand had ended his career. At the time of injury, RJ was on pace to win at least...
A 1989 wrist injury on Rick Johnson's throttle hand had ended his career. At the time of injury, RJ was on pace to win at least 4 more titles (no one could touch him 1989) and would of had ended with +40 supercross wins. The doctors could not repair his injured wrist --- it eventually was fused. In 1990 he won two nationals could not hold onto the bike and retired in 1991. I believe he was 27 years old at retirement.

I believe Roczen's injury occurred on his clutch hand and medical surgeries have advanced since 1989.

RJ is my all time favorite with KR in my top 5. I was hoping to see Roczen at the 2017 MEC ---- now 2018A1 and mayben even 2018 Nationals? Opinions on length of comeback?
With Kenny being young and in phenomenal shape, the right physical therapy, and not rushing to return until he is 100% healed and ready. I'm gonna put my $ on A-1 2018. Technology and the fact that his Dr is one of the best in the business I'm hoping he heals up and has no problems. I'm no doctor but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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MDMCG wrote:
I'm not even going to begin to speculate. We will see in time. That's the most accurate thing that anyone can say at this point.
jeffro503 wrote:
I hear ya. Seems like a lot of unknown's and variables in Kenny's injuries.
Youth (healing) + drive + natural ability + amazing skill set = great chance at full recovery.

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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/03/09/180513/s1200_IMG_0408.jpg[/img]


Such a cool picture. Props to the artist, stuff like this can really get roczens hopes up!
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/03/09/180513/s1200_IMG_0408.jpg[/img]


Laughing The Moto Soldier? The Supercross Soldier?
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nrosso391 3/9/2017 10:04am
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Kenny will be back. His arm will never be the same though.



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I would imagine this will be going into a hard cast now?
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Who was the kid who was i think a belgian gp champion, i believe he rode alongside KR at suzuki in his teenage years and was in a scooter accident that left his left arm paralyzed? He quit for a while then came back and adapted his style and was better than ever he says, becoming a champion again. I watched a 15 minute video on it years ago it was getting shared like crazy on FB
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doofy wrote:
Who was the kid who was i think a belgian gp champion, i believe he rode alongside KR at suzuki in his teenage years and was...
Who was the kid who was i think a belgian gp champion, i believe he rode alongside KR at suzuki in his teenage years and was in a scooter accident that left his left arm paralyzed? He quit for a while then came back and adapted his style and was better than ever he says, becoming a champion again. I watched a 15 minute video on it years ago it was getting shared like crazy on FB
Correct. It was called "The Rasmus Jørgensen story" and was all over the internet when it came out, for some reason it's private on Vimeo at the moment. The artictle from RacerX is still here and you can find the trailer on Youtube.
Killer video for sure.

http://racerxonline.com/2013/10/31/dont-you-worry-rasmus-jrgensens-story

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