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FastEddy wrote:
Yep. I remember when Adam Chatfield claimed Alessi's Varner built supermini back in 2003. There was a little bit of buzz and drama/talk about it... But...
Yep.
I remember when Adam Chatfield claimed Alessi's Varner built supermini back in 2003.
There was a little bit of buzz and drama/talk about it... But it wasn't the end of the world for Chatfield.
[YM] wrote:
Trying to race the C class in 04 was lol
Sr_Vet_Rider wrote:
That wasn’t Adam Chatfield, it was his buddy Alex Snow from Britain. He was a pro that won the truck at Attack MX series. He had...
That wasn’t Adam Chatfield, it was his buddy Alex Snow from Britain. He was a pro that won the truck at Attack MX series. He had to return the truck and the kid that got 2nd, ended up with the truck.
That's right. But I think it was just a single race, not a series. Adam was involved somehow but I can't remember.
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Jeremy Macduff wrote:
Anyone care to explain this "Claiming" business? I've never understood it. Would appreciate a summary of what that means and why it even exists.
Zooki wrote:
In AMA sanctioned amateur events, you're allowed to claim the bike of a competitor in your class. By claiming the bike, you're committing to immediately buy...
In AMA sanctioned amateur events, you're allowed to claim the bike of a competitor in your class. By claiming the bike, you're committing to immediately buy the bike for 30% over MSRP (50% over for a Supermini). The claim can be submitted anytime up to 30 minutes after final results for the class have been posted. If the owner refuses to sell the bike, they forfeit their results for the event and receive a 1-year suspension from the AMA. This rule doesn't apply to vintage bikes.

The intention is to keep a level playing field in amateur racing. In theory, the rule prevents amateurs from investing significantly more than 30% of the bikes value to get a competitive advantage.
I believe it has to be in cash also, so it seems if someone has 10K+ in cash at an AMA event they were planning on claiming a bike anyway?
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[YM] wrote:
Trying to race the C class in 04 was lol
Sr_Vet_Rider wrote:
That wasn’t Adam Chatfield, it was his buddy Alex Snow from Britain. He was a pro that won the truck at Attack MX series. He had...
That wasn’t Adam Chatfield, it was his buddy Alex Snow from Britain. He was a pro that won the truck at Attack MX series. He had to return the truck and the kid that got 2nd, ended up with the truck.
[YM] wrote:
That's right. But I think it was just a single race, not a series. Adam was involved somehow but I can't remember.
Alex was good friends with Adam and was staying with him in Texas. They knew exactly what they were doing…
Nick Bussey ended up winning the truck. He was a cool kid and a true novice rider.
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Dirty Points 7/20/2022 9:00pm
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8tensolutions wrote:
I believe it has to be in cash also, so it seems if someone has 10K+ in cash at an AMA event they were planning on...
I believe it has to be in cash also, so it seems if someone has 10K+ in cash at an AMA event they were planning on claiming a bike anyway?
"cash, certified check, or bank draft"
You can process a draft online or over the phone.
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Dirty Points wrote:
Kinda shocking that nobody is ever using the claiming rule... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/07/20/560372/s1200_Claiming.jpg[/img]
Kinda shocking that nobody is ever using the claiming rule...

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Search “Adam Chatfield”
Aka the villopoto family
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FastEddy wrote:
Yep. I remember when Adam Chatfield claimed Alessi's Varner built supermini back in 2003. There was a little bit of buzz and drama/talk about it... But...
Yep.
I remember when Adam Chatfield claimed Alessi's Varner built supermini back in 2003.
There was a little bit of buzz and drama/talk about it... But it wasn't the end of the world for Chatfield.
You're right, the MX Oasis stuff a few years later left a bigger stain lol
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FastEddy wrote:
Yep. I remember when Adam Chatfield claimed Alessi's Varner built supermini back in 2003. There was a little bit of buzz and drama/talk about it... But...
Yep.
I remember when Adam Chatfield claimed Alessi's Varner built supermini back in 2003.
There was a little bit of buzz and drama/talk about it... But it wasn't the end of the world for Chatfield.
GrapeApe wrote:
You're right, the MX Oasis stuff a few years later left a bigger stain lol
LOL Dude! I remember something about MX Oasis ... hookers & moto or some crazy shit.
What could be better than giving out trophies or cash? Laughing
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Sully wrote:
Why's everyone so worried about how someone else decides to spend their money? Even if it was half the cost (it would still be less than...
Why's everyone so worried about how someone else decides to spend their money? Even if it was half the cost (it would still be less than the cost of the parts), none of you would be buying it, so don't sweat it...
Bingo,. Got to love it. People worried about others spending.
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Sully wrote:
Why's everyone so worried about how someone else decides to spend their money? Even if it was half the cost (it would still be less than...
Why's everyone so worried about how someone else decides to spend their money? Even if it was half the cost (it would still be less than the cost of the parts), none of you would be buying it, so don't sweat it...
This.

That bike will sell quickly. We just had a local race in our small home town and a kid showed up with a double decker semi. He couldn’t even win the junior class. But the money was no problem. People have It
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profeshenal125 7/21/2022 6:23am
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kylemenz1 wrote:
$41k for the bike and you get to spent $7.5k every 3hrs for an engine rebuild
Local shop talk A guy bought a bark river yzf250 sx engine timing chain needs replacement every 4 hrs. Talk of the natl engines not lasting 4 hrs. Financing spare mod engines a lot of money for a 25th to 31st finish.
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Hank_Thrill 7/21/2022 6:31am
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in 1994 my dad bought one of RC's Team Green modified KX 80s.... for $1,400.
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fatpurplepanda 7/21/2022 6:33am
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Jeremy Macduff wrote:
Anyone care to explain this "Claiming" business? I've never understood it. Would appreciate a summary of what that means and why it even exists.
Zooki wrote:
In AMA sanctioned amateur events, you're allowed to claim the bike of a competitor in your class. By claiming the bike, you're committing to immediately buy...
In AMA sanctioned amateur events, you're allowed to claim the bike of a competitor in your class. By claiming the bike, you're committing to immediately buy the bike for 30% over MSRP (50% over for a Supermini). The claim can be submitted anytime up to 30 minutes after final results for the class have been posted. If the owner refuses to sell the bike, they forfeit their results for the event and receive a 1-year suspension from the AMA. This rule doesn't apply to vintage bikes.

The intention is to keep a level playing field in amateur racing. In theory, the rule prevents amateurs from investing significantly more than 30% of the bikes value to get a competitive advantage.
T-Fish wrote:
It’s funny this is being brought up. I jokingly mentioned it to a couple of my friends this weekend when Phil mentioned he may race amateur...
It’s funny this is being brought up. I jokingly mentioned it to a couple of my friends this weekend when Phil mentioned he may race amateur day at Millville. I figured his bike has to be worth $20k.

When I looked it up, it said 2x MSRP. What’s the difference between the rule you found and the one I found?
"at the national event" - I would assume this is specific to Lorettas, but that is a pure guess.
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FastEddy 7/21/2022 8:29am
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Sully wrote:
Why's everyone so worried about how someone else decides to spend their money? Even if it was half the cost (it would still be less than...
Why's everyone so worried about how someone else decides to spend their money? Even if it was half the cost (it would still be less than the cost of the parts), none of you would be buying it, so don't sweat it...
hititpind wrote:
This. That bike will sell quickly. We just had a local race in our small home town and a kid showed up with a double decker...
This.

That bike will sell quickly. We just had a local race in our small home town and a kid showed up with a double decker semi. He couldn’t even win the junior class. But the money was no problem. People have It
You are probably right.
And it probably wont help them much at all either. Laughing

On the flip side of having a super fast bike... I can remember Eric Hall hole-shotting 125 nationals on pretty much a stock 125 back in the mid 1980's.
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Zooki 7/21/2022 9:22am
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Zooki wrote:
In AMA sanctioned amateur events, you're allowed to claim the bike of a competitor in your class. By claiming the bike, you're committing to immediately buy...
In AMA sanctioned amateur events, you're allowed to claim the bike of a competitor in your class. By claiming the bike, you're committing to immediately buy the bike for 30% over MSRP (50% over for a Supermini). The claim can be submitted anytime up to 30 minutes after final results for the class have been posted. If the owner refuses to sell the bike, they forfeit their results for the event and receive a 1-year suspension from the AMA. This rule doesn't apply to vintage bikes.

The intention is to keep a level playing field in amateur racing. In theory, the rule prevents amateurs from investing significantly more than 30% of the bikes value to get a competitive advantage.
T-Fish wrote:
It’s funny this is being brought up. I jokingly mentioned it to a couple of my friends this weekend when Phil mentioned he may race amateur...
It’s funny this is being brought up. I jokingly mentioned it to a couple of my friends this weekend when Phil mentioned he may race amateur day at Millville. I figured his bike has to be worth $20k.

When I looked it up, it said 2x MSRP. What’s the difference between the rule you found and the one I found?
fatpurplepanda wrote:
"at the national event" - I would assume this is specific to Lorettas, but that is a pure guess.
T-Fish is referencing the MX Sports rules. I was quoting the AMA rules.

I guess the MX Sports rules would apply at a combined AMA MX Sports event?
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GrapeApe 7/21/2022 10:16am
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FastEddy wrote:
Yep. I remember when Adam Chatfield claimed Alessi's Varner built supermini back in 2003. There was a little bit of buzz and drama/talk about it... But...
Yep.
I remember when Adam Chatfield claimed Alessi's Varner built supermini back in 2003.
There was a little bit of buzz and drama/talk about it... But it wasn't the end of the world for Chatfield.
GrapeApe wrote:
You're right, the MX Oasis stuff a few years later left a bigger stain lol
FastEddy wrote:
LOL Dude! I remember something about MX Oasis ... hookers & moto or some crazy shit. What could be better than giving out trophies or cash...
LOL Dude! I remember something about MX Oasis ... hookers & moto or some crazy shit.
What could be better than giving out trophies or cash? Laughing
Truth is crazier than fiction. Motocross tracks funded by brothels that employed asian and mexican immigrants looking to pay off their smuggling fees.

MX Oasis in Palestine was a great facility, aside from being a giant laundering machine.
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JK BRO 7/21/2022 11:40am
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"Don't tell people how to spend their money" boo hoo. More people should be told how to spend their money because it appears we no longer know limits and are willing to inflate the fuck out of everything because "we can afford it".

Let's get one thing strait..... it's not money, it's credit.


Just because you can indebt yourself for life at 18yo doesn't mean "you have the money" to buy whatever you want.
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JK BRO wrote:
"Don't tell people how to spend their money" boo hoo. More people should be told how to spend their money because it appears we no longer...
"Don't tell people how to spend their money" boo hoo. More people should be told how to spend their money because it appears we no longer know limits and are willing to inflate the fuck out of everything because "we can afford it".

Let's get one thing strait..... it's not money, it's credit.


Just because you can indebt yourself for life at 18yo doesn't mean "you have the money" to buy whatever you want.
And its their choice, not yours.
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kylemenz1 wrote:
$41k for the bike and you get to spent $7.5k every 3hrs for an engine rebuild
profeshenal125 wrote:
Local shop talk A guy bought a bark river yzf250 sx engine timing chain needs replacement every 4 hrs. Talk of the natl engines not lasting...
Local shop talk A guy bought a bark river yzf250 sx engine timing chain needs replacement every 4 hrs. Talk of the natl engines not lasting 4 hrs. Financing spare mod engines a lot of money for a 25th to 31st finish.
What I was told from a Team Green rider and another SX privateer that had engines done by PC was that their race bike engines were rebuilt every 5-7 hours. If you went over that and tried pushing to 10 hours…. KABOOM. And it was $5000 per rebuild for that every 5-7 hour rebuild.

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FastEddy wrote:
Yep. I remember when Adam Chatfield claimed Alessi's Varner built supermini back in 2003. There was a little bit of buzz and drama/talk about it... But...
Yep.
I remember when Adam Chatfield claimed Alessi's Varner built supermini back in 2003.
There was a little bit of buzz and drama/talk about it... But it wasn't the end of the world for Chatfield.
GrapeApe wrote:
You're right, the MX Oasis stuff a few years later left a bigger stain lol
Better than $100 bill at Snake Farm or a visit to LaGrange in the 70'sLaughing

They love you long time at MX Oasis! AllegedlyCool
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Dave v3.0 wrote:
Better than $100 bill at Snake Farm or a visit to LaGrange in the 70'sLaughing

They love you long time at MX Oasis! AllegedlyCool
Mx Oasis had nothing to do with the prostitution ring. They seized the track and the land after the charges.
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4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:
Crazy this is what other kids are up against at lorettas. Ryder D is a fantastic rider, but has been groomed and been on the best...
Crazy this is what other kids are up against at lorettas. Ryder D is a fantastic rider, but has been groomed and been on the best equipment since age 5. Always makes me wonder if the money spent on one amateur was spread around more, other kids would shine and we wouldn't have kids who have had a huge equipment advantage fizzeling out as when they hit pros where the equipment is more equal.
You are way off when you say hes been on the best equipment .his 65 and 85 were not top equipment .the 65 he won on was about 10 years behind in technology and 85 wasnt much better ..lets say this the ktms were about 4 sec a lap faster ..ryder was at a big disadvantage in both classes ..just take a look next week at lorettas and see how many green bikes you see in those two classes ..maybe 3 at most
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GrapeApe wrote:
Truth is crazier than fiction. Motocross tracks funded by brothels that employed asian and mexican immigrants looking to pay off their smuggling fees. MX Oasis in...
Truth is crazier than fiction. Motocross tracks funded by brothels that employed asian and mexican immigrants looking to pay off their smuggling fees.

MX Oasis in Palestine was a great facility, aside from being a giant laundering machine.
This story really deserves a documentary to be made about it.
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4DAIVIPAI2K5 7/26/2022 12:29pm
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4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:
Crazy this is what other kids are up against at lorettas. Ryder D is a fantastic rider, but has been groomed and been on the best...
Crazy this is what other kids are up against at lorettas. Ryder D is a fantastic rider, but has been groomed and been on the best equipment since age 5. Always makes me wonder if the money spent on one amateur was spread around more, other kids would shine and we wouldn't have kids who have had a huge equipment advantage fizzeling out as when they hit pros where the equipment is more equal.
mjones7212 wrote:
You are way off when you say hes been on the best equipment .his 65 and 85 were not top equipment .the 65 he won on...
You are way off when you say hes been on the best equipment .his 65 and 85 were not top equipment .the 65 he won on was about 10 years behind in technology and 85 wasnt much better ..lets say this the ktms were about 4 sec a lap faster ..ryder was at a big disadvantage in both classes ..just take a look next week at lorettas and see how many green bikes you see in those two classes ..maybe 3 at most
Neither his 65 or 85 came off the show room floor. Ain't no one believing that. Especially after seeing this bike.
Not saying he was cheating, but those bikes were better then I could go buy, while staying limited.
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4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:
Crazy this is what other kids are up against at lorettas. Ryder D is a fantastic rider, but has been groomed and been on the best...
Crazy this is what other kids are up against at lorettas. Ryder D is a fantastic rider, but has been groomed and been on the best equipment since age 5. Always makes me wonder if the money spent on one amateur was spread around more, other kids would shine and we wouldn't have kids who have had a huge equipment advantage fizzeling out as when they hit pros where the equipment is more equal.
mjones7212 wrote:
You are way off when you say hes been on the best equipment .his 65 and 85 were not top equipment .the 65 he won on...
You are way off when you say hes been on the best equipment .his 65 and 85 were not top equipment .the 65 he won on was about 10 years behind in technology and 85 wasnt much better ..lets say this the ktms were about 4 sec a lap faster ..ryder was at a big disadvantage in both classes ..just take a look next week at lorettas and see how many green bikes you see in those two classes ..maybe 3 at most
4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:
Neither his 65 or 85 came off the show room floor. Ain't no one believing that. Especially after seeing this bike. Not saying he was cheating...
Neither his 65 or 85 came off the show room floor. Ain't no one believing that. Especially after seeing this bike.
Not saying he was cheating, but those bikes were better then I could go buy, while staying limited.
The only few green bikes in any mini class next week, they are getting paid to ride them.
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Dirty Points 7/26/2022 2:54pm
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4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:
Crazy this is what other kids are up against at lorettas. Ryder D is a fantastic rider, but has been groomed and been on the best...
Crazy this is what other kids are up against at lorettas. Ryder D is a fantastic rider, but has been groomed and been on the best equipment since age 5. Always makes me wonder if the money spent on one amateur was spread around more, other kids would shine and we wouldn't have kids who have had a huge equipment advantage fizzeling out as when they hit pros where the equipment is more equal.
mjones7212 wrote:
You are way off when you say hes been on the best equipment .his 65 and 85 were not top equipment .the 65 he won on...
You are way off when you say hes been on the best equipment .his 65 and 85 were not top equipment .the 65 he won on was about 10 years behind in technology and 85 wasnt much better ..lets say this the ktms were about 4 sec a lap faster ..ryder was at a big disadvantage in both classes ..just take a look next week at lorettas and see how many green bikes you see in those two classes ..maybe 3 at most
But more simply, a kid like Ryder D can be the toast of the class, legitimately exceptional in every way, capable of winning on inferior hardware, AND still be riding a bike that is pretty far outside of the intent of the class rules. Especially if opposing riders feel they need to band together to continue to game the rules.
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Dirtydeeds wrote:
250 Novice wet dream. Some C class hero will pick it up
And then wrap it around the track fence
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profeshenal125 7/27/2022 7:20am
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Dirtydeeds wrote:
250 Novice wet dream. Some C class hero will pick it up
nealb129 wrote:
And then wrap it around the track fence
Haha yeah. I hv no idea why no one films 250c . There wo out of control funniest crashes just to win a moto.
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hellbillyohio 7/27/2022 7:37am
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I know a family that successfully claimed one of Villapotos superminis at lorrettas. When it was time for parts, they called P.C. and they threatened them to never call their again Blink
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4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:
Crazy this is what other kids are up against at lorettas. Ryder D is a fantastic rider, but has been groomed and been on the best...
Crazy this is what other kids are up against at lorettas. Ryder D is a fantastic rider, but has been groomed and been on the best equipment since age 5. Always makes me wonder if the money spent on one amateur was spread around more, other kids would shine and we wouldn't have kids who have had a huge equipment advantage fizzeling out as when they hit pros where the equipment is more equal.
mjones7212 wrote:
You are way off when you say hes been on the best equipment .his 65 and 85 were not top equipment .the 65 he won on...
You are way off when you say hes been on the best equipment .his 65 and 85 were not top equipment .the 65 he won on was about 10 years behind in technology and 85 wasnt much better ..lets say this the ktms were about 4 sec a lap faster ..ryder was at a big disadvantage in both classes ..just take a look next week at lorettas and see how many green bikes you see in those two classes ..maybe 3 at most
4DAIVIPAI2K5 wrote:
Neither his 65 or 85 came off the show room floor. Ain't no one believing that. Especially after seeing this bike. Not saying he was cheating...
Neither his 65 or 85 came off the show room floor. Ain't no one believing that. Especially after seeing this bike.
Not saying he was cheating, but those bikes were better then I could go buy, while staying limited.
if you think his 65 was a winning bike your crazy ..Ryder couldnt wait to get off the bike ..why do u think Team green hired Nick Ramano ..Its alot easier to beat your main competitiion when your on equal bikes.. .

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