The Ukraine is in a tight spot

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They do the same shit as the Russians do. They are fighting exactly the same war, same tactics , same propoganda. No idea where you get...

They do the same shit as the Russians do. They are fighting exactly the same war, same tactics , same propoganda. No idea where you get this idea they are not. They engage in terror attacks and Assassinations domestically and in foreign countries. They kill POW’s, wounded and surrendered. 

byke wrote:
I'm sorry I don't think that's accurate. Plenty of legit places you can go find information about Russian war crimes, which I suspect you may dismiss...

I'm sorry I don't think that's accurate. Plenty of legit places you can go find information about Russian war crimes, which I suspect you may dismiss, but you can't just dismiss every institution as frauds and then believe some random blogger as if they're exempt from fraud just the same. It's a lot easier to manipulate/control an entity with one person, as opposed to a thousand.

You not thinking it’s accurate doesn’t make it fact. Your feelings are just feelings. So use your own reasoning and play the DA here. Remember, it’s...

You not thinking it’s accurate doesn’t make it fact. Your feelings are just feelings. So use your own reasoning and play the DA here. Remember, it’s easy to manipulate and exploit one’s bias and beliefs. I bet you probably thought Russia blew up its own pipeline and fell for all the Ukrainian Intelligence produced early war footage. 
So just keep prescribing to your version of the facts while lots of others keep seeing many sides of the situation and recognize there are many versions of the “truth”. 

Just search for war crime evidence and add Russia or Ukraine to your search. If you're not satisfied with what you're finding, then there's certainly nothing more I could do. I'd just recommend avoiding falling into the exception fallacy trap where people manipulate a single event into the dominating situation. That's why there are so many variations of the "truth", when people pretend that 1 and 1000 are the same thing. The people that you find doing that, doesn't matter if they're right or left, are bad actors contributing the everything wrong today. 

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byke wrote:
I'm sorry I don't think that's accurate. Plenty of legit places you can go find information about Russian war crimes, which I suspect you may dismiss...

I'm sorry I don't think that's accurate. Plenty of legit places you can go find information about Russian war crimes, which I suspect you may dismiss, but you can't just dismiss every institution as frauds and then believe some random blogger as if they're exempt from fraud just the same. It's a lot easier to manipulate/control an entity with one person, as opposed to a thousand.

You not thinking it’s accurate doesn’t make it fact. Your feelings are just feelings. So use your own reasoning and play the DA here. Remember, it’s...

You not thinking it’s accurate doesn’t make it fact. Your feelings are just feelings. So use your own reasoning and play the DA here. Remember, it’s easy to manipulate and exploit one’s bias and beliefs. I bet you probably thought Russia blew up its own pipeline and fell for all the Ukrainian Intelligence produced early war footage. 
So just keep prescribing to your version of the facts while lots of others keep seeing many sides of the situation and recognize there are many versions of the “truth”. 

byke wrote:
Just search for war crime evidence and add Russia or Ukraine to your search. If you're not satisfied with what you're finding, then there's certainly nothing...

Just search for war crime evidence and add Russia or Ukraine to your search. If you're not satisfied with what you're finding, then there's certainly nothing more I could do. I'd just recommend avoiding falling into the exception fallacy trap where people manipulate a single event into the dominating situation. That's why there are so many variations of the "truth", when people pretend that 1 and 1000 are the same thing. The people that you find doing that, doesn't matter if they're right or left, are bad actors contributing the everything wrong today. 

I think you should follow your own advice. 

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kongols wrote:

Looks almost like a test, because you can see that place was already smoked before the bomb got there. 

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Looks almost like a test, because you can see that place was already smoked before the bomb got there. 

Nope. It`s Vovchansk near border with Russia. Russia took part of it in the spring and Ukraine is slowly liberating it. Every city in Ukraine that russian get near looks like this. They use scorched earth tactic- basically leveling every structure to the point ukrainians are not able to defend it as there is nowhere to hide. There are dozens and dozens of cities that look like this.

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byke wrote:

For what reason? 

Probably tired of the blank check, not the country itself.

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byke wrote:

For what reason? 

Flatliner wrote:

Probably tired of the blank check, not the country itself.

Which would actually mean fuck the USA though. We obviously have our problems, but it's a bit much, isn't it?

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kongols wrote:

All I can say is im glad I have the whole of Europe and the English Channel between me and the Russian army. 

I have a friend from Lithuania and after talking to her I really empathise with you lot in the Baltics, it’s got to be tough being so small with Russia so close.

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^^ somebody made this to be funny. Its fucking pathetic, honestly. 

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^^ somebody made this to be funny. Its fucking pathetic, honestly. 
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^^ somebody made this to be funny. Its fucking pathetic, honestly. 

I have 16 people working for me who live in Ashville.  They all tell me the response has been amazing given the reality.  So not sure what’s pathetic? 

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I have 16 people working for me who live in Ashville.  They all tell me the response has been amazing given the reality.  So not sure...

I have 16 people working for me who live in Ashville.  They all tell me the response has been amazing given the reality.  So not sure what’s pathetic? 

My friends daughter lives there ,sounds to.me like the people are taking care of themselves and each other.

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I have 16 people working for me who live in Ashville.  They all tell me the response has been amazing given the reality.  So not sure...

I have 16 people working for me who live in Ashville.  They all tell me the response has been amazing given the reality.  So not sure what’s pathetic? 

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Yeah, I guess your right. Not sure what I was thinking there. Picture completely unrelated. You should just ignore it. 

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I have 16 people working for me who live in Ashville.  They all tell me the response has been amazing given the reality.  So not sure...

I have 16 people working for me who live in Ashville.  They all tell me the response has been amazing given the reality.  So not sure what’s pathetic? 

Spurdo wrote:
Yeah, I guess your right. Not sure what I was thinking there. Picture completely unrelated. You should just ignore it. 
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Yeah, I guess your right. Not sure what I was thinking there. Picture completely unrelated. You should just ignore it. 

I check in with my people everyday.  They are all eating food provided by federal resources. Drinking water provided by federal resources.   And taking showers set up and managed by federal resources.  But yes, you have provided completely unbiased evidence to the contrary……

Last I heard there were 80k line crews in the region.  And I know many crews that are there.  

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I have 16 people working for me who live in Ashville.  They all tell me the response has been amazing given the reality.  So not sure...

I have 16 people working for me who live in Ashville.  They all tell me the response has been amazing given the reality.  So not sure what’s pathetic? 

Spurdo wrote:
Yeah, I guess your right. Not sure what I was thinking there. Picture completely unrelated. You should just ignore it. 
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Yeah, I guess your right. Not sure what I was thinking there. Picture completely unrelated. You should just ignore it. 

The joke was confusing because Republicans held up Ukraine aid for six months, so changing NC to Ukraine meant the opposite of what the joke intended, that NC wasn't going to get any help for a long time, which definitely wouldn't be funny. 

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byke wrote:
The joke was confusing because Republicans held up Ukraine aid for six months, so changing NC to Ukraine meant the opposite of what the joke intended...

The joke was confusing because Republicans held up Ukraine aid for six months, so changing NC to Ukraine meant the opposite of what the joke intended, that NC wasn't going to get any help for a long time, which definitely wouldn't be funny. 

Got you!

The reality is no response can ever be good enough.  I was never more infuriated than when democrats tried to destroy Bush on the Katrina response.  Or when they made fun of Chris Christy for hugging Obama in the wake of Sandy.   It was all bullshit.  Let’s not keep repeating the cycle.   I know people who work for FEMA, and they don’t give a shit who the president is.  

 

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Yeah I just didn't understand, because getting funds to Ukraine has been like pulling teeth, so I didn't understand how that would help I don't even see how recognizing that delay is being partisan. Trump won NC in 2016 and 2020 and I don't think Trump is a good person, but that's all irrelevant, let's get NC help ASAP. This is a human problem, not a political problem. 

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London isn’t and never has dictated anything to Ukraine. There’s some pressure to reduce corruption and make sure aid goes where it’s needed but beyond that...

London isn’t and never has dictated anything to Ukraine. There’s some pressure to reduce corruption and make sure aid goes where it’s needed but beyond that, everything is done via discussion. 

On rebuild costs, a lot of the work will likely go to European and US construction companies/contractors, who will do very well out of it. That’s not as one-way on cost as you are alluding to.

You could be the 3rd member of Kongol and M8’s band. Your delusional if you think the UK has has had no influence on Ukraine. Your last comment...

You could be the 3rd member of Kongol and M8’s band. 
Your delusional if you think the UK has has had no influence on Ukraine. 
Your last comment is pathetic. Don’t worry, American politicians and billionaires will get rich rebuilding the country with our tax dollars, same as  the military industrial complex.

People like you are wrecking the country. 

Spoonguy wrote:
It would be better if politicians and billionaires got rich rebuilding our own country. As well as arming our own military, housing our own disabled veterans...

It would be better if politicians and billionaires got rich rebuilding our own country. As well as arming our own military, housing our own disabled veterans, securing our own borders, on and on. Our investment in Ukraine is a waste of our limited resources compared to our own needs.

I agree with your ending. But the biggest hand out in America is our military. 3,800 tax free extra per month for fake pts bs.  Our war propaganda is extreme ww2 on a 24 hr loop . We always fired ww2 vets b4 the massive brain washing bs of the last 20+ yrs.  On the hhg rig or a f ed up utility project . All the young workers said get your lazy f ing azz off the track hoe and work like a man. 40k of clay almost smashing someone . None of the lazy fucks did shit.  I heard the older women talking about my ww2 grandpa that he just wants every to feel sorry for him. A bullet to his bycep big deal. I took 2 rnds to my funny bone and worked the next day.  Both grandpa’s ww2 deathly afraid of my dad and all the other vets.  All of my co is in Ukraine except for 1 but might be 2 but I never met him that I know.  There sneaky secretive in Chicago. The people in Ukraine are Really cool. They apologize iin different ways for  stuff not right with me, pay, etc.  Christina in payroll I get her laughing hard she is really great.  Sad but we probably hv some nasty stuff up our sleeve . Like bomb them take our weapons then blow Russia off the map. There analog to computer weapons r garbage. And there men are pussies. There organized crime power is in Chicago. Trust me ours in the NE r a mil times tougher & brutal. Everyone wants to control the Aurora the flow of heron ovr in Eastern Europe.  98,99 we gave Serbia a 78 day humiliation bombing , school, hospitals, nursing homes, day cares, natl monuments. Things r not all that diff than 1492 to 1776 here . Actually the 1980,s after the indians  to get control of the land. A Ukraine driver told me we bought there presidents wife a 3.5 billion dollar car . I thought that was high I said 3.5 mil

B4.  War is stupid no country should b allowed to declare war.  It’s really about getting more land or valuable minerals, etc.  the rich dems r never happy

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Is the International Brigade/foreign fighters still happening? If so, what level, etc.?

Quite a lot of foreign volunteers still over there doing support work for Ukrainian military, providing training etc. Exact numbers hard to know since it's voluntary and by and large NATO governments don't really want to know for deniability reasons who is going and where. It's in the thousands though. Most of the earlier civilian volunteers who were there to get women and children out etc have now left leaving more skeleton crews, so it's definitely a lower number than early in the conflict. 

Just to add by the way, now Ukraine's military is more battle-hardened they don't really want or need amateur volunteers either. Having a load of people on the front lines or close to it that can't speak Ukranian or Russian and therefore can't follow orders quickly is more of a liability than anything. 

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byke wrote:
Yeah I just didn't understand, because getting funds to Ukraine has been like pulling teeth, so I didn't understand how that would help I don't even...

Yeah I just didn't understand, because getting funds to Ukraine has been like pulling teeth, so I didn't understand how that would help I don't even see how recognizing that delay is being partisan. Trump won NC in 2016 and 2020 and I don't think Trump is a good person, but that's all irrelevant, let's get NC help ASAP. This is a human problem, not a political problem. 

So it should be easy to get money or aid from a different sovereign nation? What the hell is enough? The USA has 250,000 soldiers deployed all over the world yet any dust up people still look to the USA for help. Here's news, our country has finite resources too. We have crushing debilitating poverty here, homelessness, crime, failing infrastructure, illiteracy, drug crisis, border crisis. If our poorest counties in the USA received one tenth the aid we have given for Ukraine's "independence" it would save lives and be liberating too.

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byke wrote:
Yeah I just didn't understand, because getting funds to Ukraine has been like pulling teeth, so I didn't understand how that would help I don't even...

Yeah I just didn't understand, because getting funds to Ukraine has been like pulling teeth, so I didn't understand how that would help I don't even see how recognizing that delay is being partisan. Trump won NC in 2016 and 2020 and I don't think Trump is a good person, but that's all irrelevant, let's get NC help ASAP. This is a human problem, not a political problem. 

Spoonguy wrote:
So it should be easy to get money or aid from a different sovereign nation? What the hell is enough? The USA has 250,000 soldiers deployed...

So it should be easy to get money or aid from a different sovereign nation? What the hell is enough? The USA has 250,000 soldiers deployed all over the world yet any dust up people still look to the USA for help. Here's news, our country has finite resources too. We have crushing debilitating poverty here, homelessness, crime, failing infrastructure, illiteracy, drug crisis, border crisis. If our poorest counties in the USA received one tenth the aid we have given for Ukraine's "independence" it would save lives and be liberating too.

Lost on the minions.

They'll watch CNN and "stay informed".

No worries. They're doing it to themselves. 

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byke wrote:
Yeah I just didn't understand, because getting funds to Ukraine has been like pulling teeth, so I didn't understand how that would help I don't even...

Yeah I just didn't understand, because getting funds to Ukraine has been like pulling teeth, so I didn't understand how that would help I don't even see how recognizing that delay is being partisan. Trump won NC in 2016 and 2020 and I don't think Trump is a good person, but that's all irrelevant, let's get NC help ASAP. This is a human problem, not a political problem. 

Spoonguy wrote:
So it should be easy to get money or aid from a different sovereign nation? What the hell is enough? The USA has 250,000 soldiers deployed...

So it should be easy to get money or aid from a different sovereign nation? What the hell is enough? The USA has 250,000 soldiers deployed all over the world yet any dust up people still look to the USA for help. Here's news, our country has finite resources too. We have crushing debilitating poverty here, homelessness, crime, failing infrastructure, illiteracy, drug crisis, border crisis. If our poorest counties in the USA received one tenth the aid we have given for Ukraine's "independence" it would save lives and be liberating too.

TeamGreen wrote:

Lost on the minions.

They'll watch CNN and "stay informed".

No worries. They're doing it to themselves. 

I wonder if instead of buying weapons with our money we could just pay Russia to leave. It would save money and end the bloodshed.

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byke wrote:
Yeah I just didn't understand, because getting funds to Ukraine has been like pulling teeth, so I didn't understand how that would help I don't even...

Yeah I just didn't understand, because getting funds to Ukraine has been like pulling teeth, so I didn't understand how that would help I don't even see how recognizing that delay is being partisan. Trump won NC in 2016 and 2020 and I don't think Trump is a good person, but that's all irrelevant, let's get NC help ASAP. This is a human problem, not a political problem. 

Spoonguy wrote:
So it should be easy to get money or aid from a different sovereign nation? What the hell is enough? The USA has 250,000 soldiers deployed...

So it should be easy to get money or aid from a different sovereign nation? What the hell is enough? The USA has 250,000 soldiers deployed all over the world yet any dust up people still look to the USA for help. Here's news, our country has finite resources too. We have crushing debilitating poverty here, homelessness, crime, failing infrastructure, illiteracy, drug crisis, border crisis. If our poorest counties in the USA received one tenth the aid we have given for Ukraine's "independence" it would save lives and be liberating too.

Legislation is a process, so I'm not sure what easy or hard would equate to. They draft bills and vote and voting is pretty darn easy. I think they just push a button. I'd probably be okay with making it harder, but we'd have to accept any consequences that come with it, plus we'd take away any legitimacy to our complaints about the government moving too slow, because we'd be asking them to move much slower.

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The part of America I want to be great again is the part where we want to live up to the promises we make to our allies.  Even when it gets hard.  

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The part of America I want to be great again is the part where we want to live up to the promises we make to our...

The part of America I want to be great again is the part where we want to live up to the promises we make to our allies.  Even when it gets hard.  

When you look at what -we- did leading up to this war…

What we’ve spent on a Non-NATO nation…

What Europe should have…could have…done leading up to this war…

The cause and effect seems to be left out of the conversations & critical thinking…which was needed BEFORE the shit hit the fan…is still in short supply. 

The United States helped create this nightmare. That’s lost on far too many people. Ukraine WAS NOT a NATO member; yet, we’ve thrown “beyond NATO” money amd resources at this war…their war…Europe’s war…and…again, we are core to the cause of this war.

Like I said, critical thinking is in short supply. 

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