The Ukraine is in a tight spot

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Forget about attack on Belarus. So far no proof.
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Massive explosion near Lutsk.
Massive explosion near Lutsk.

Likely one of those thermobaric vacuum bombs.

It is so intense, it sucks all the air out of the atmosphere
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Muttly wrote:
Like Kongols pointed out, something isn’t right. 10 Colonels in a week……….
kongols wrote:
I have to correct myself. It`s 6 colonels. Anyhow, way too many for two weeks.
Plus the Generals? Or 6 of Colonel rank or above? Seems like there’s been at least 3 Generals also killed.
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Russia is worse than north korea at this point.. they have nothing left but the kremlin news.
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All these rag tag volunteers signing up to fight for Russia just look like dead people in the very near future. They have no idea what they're in for.
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A patient escaped from the clinic!During a conversation with the bunker brother, Lukashenko said: “We did not start this war in #Ukraine, our conscience is...
kongols...maintaining humor is power.

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3/11/2022 10:02am Edited Date/Time 3/11/2022 10:05am
kongols wrote:
Typical African countries....all their heads are up Putin's arse.

Edit - they are not any good as soldiers and the cold weather will get them.
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Russia, dragging foreign fighters into this...is called...

International Escalation

And that is as applied to AN INVASION.

For allllllll his stupid paranoia about NATO, he sure looks for ways to drag them into his OWN problems.

Those Polish MiGs? They just became more likely.
More Missile and Artillery Defense Systems? Yup...more of those.
NATO sourced Reapers? (British / Italian)

Vlad is fucking up the end game for his country and, now, a coupl'a others, too.

This, no matter how you slice it, is waaaaay different than VOLUNTEERS going to Ukraine to DEFEND AGAINST A FOREIGN INVASION.

But, I digress.

No-doubt someone will see a reason to come along and defend Vlad's terror campaign.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Massive explosion near Lutsk.
Massive explosion near Lutsk.

flarider wrote:
Likely one of those thermobaric vacuum bombs.

It is so intense, it sucks all the air out of the atmosphere
WHERE THE FUQ IS THE U.N. ?

Why do they even exist?

Y'all know what the next level of weapon system is from here? Vlad is bringing about a problem that won't end well.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Massive explosion near Lutsk.
Massive explosion near Lutsk.

flarider wrote:
Likely one of those thermobaric vacuum bombs.

It is so intense, it sucks all the air out of the atmosphere
TeamGreen wrote:
WHERE THE FUQ IS THE U.N. ? Why do they even exist? Y'all know what the next level of weapon system is from here? Vlad is...
WHERE THE FUQ IS THE U.N. ?

Why do they even exist?

Y'all know what the next level of weapon system is from here? Vlad is bringing about a problem that won't end well.
Sadly it looks to be slowly heading in that direction. How does one stop putin without starting a much larger scale war....?

Maybe a bounty of $20 mil for Putin's head will entice someone to do the deed.
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TeamGreen wrote:
WHERE THE FUQ IS THE U.N. ? Why do they even exist? Y'all know what the next level of weapon system is from here? Vlad is...
WHERE THE FUQ IS THE U.N. ?

Why do they even exist?

Y'all know what the next level of weapon system is from here? Vlad is bringing about a problem that won't end well.
It looks like ammo depot was hit near airport.
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3/11/2022 10:28am Edited Date/Time 3/11/2022 10:32am
Russian reformer Yegor Gaidar. The views expressed in this commentary are his own. Read more opinion articles on CNN.

(CNN)Walking through Moscow today, there is an emptiness to places I have passed countless times over the years. The skyscraper on New Arbat Avenue, which until last week housed the independent radio station "Echo of Moscow" is silent. The McDonald's on Pushkin Square is just as empty.

In one of Moscow's large shopping malls, a woman sits on the floor of a perfume store, raking up all the goods available to her -- from mascara to lipstick. It's both an act of desperation and a farewell to the Western civilization that came to Russia 30 years ago. Now people are realizing: the Russian economy is as naked as the malls emptied of global brands.

In recent years, Russian society has become a mall society. People spend their weekends in these consumer hubs; heading there for walks, visiting restaurants, watching films, and of course shopping. Russia is a consumers' paradise -- especially after the economic growth of the early 2000s -- thanks to high prices for Russian oil and the end of the post-Soviet transitional period.

In these boom times, the general consensus among the middle classes of the big cities has been "yes, we have an authoritarian leader, but why do we need democracy?" Russians, it appeared, were doing just fine without democracy -- we've learned what kinds of wines we like to drink, we're picky about cars and holiday resorts abroad. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, foreign businesses, brands, technology, parts and partners have increased employment, expanded competencies. We are still on our own -- politically and militarily -- but in lifestyle, we are no different from Westerners.

Over the years, McDonald's has become, in the eyes of Russians, associated with youth and low-level managers. Long forgotten was its symbolism -- of the Western world arriving in the USSR. The first McDonald's in Russia opened in Moscow in January 1990, more than a year before the Soviet Union collapsed in December 1991. When McDonald's shuttered this week, it signaled the end of the West in authoritarian Russia. The days of our merry global consumption were over, and it pointed to darker ones ahead.

Of course, compared to the horror happening in Ukraine, the closure of brands looks insignificant. They are just symbols of the economic collapse in Russia, provoked by the invasion -- and subsequent sanctions.

And all because of the autocrat. In Russia and beyond, economic and social systems are collapsing. Perhaps with a little more time, a generation would have grown up that could seriously modernize Russia, even despite the excessive presence of the state. Now, this generation is not just leaving, but fleeing: to Tbilisi, Yerevan, Istanbul, Tel Aviv and elsewhere.

It's not just a feeling that there's gigantic unemployment looming, there's a rolling back of quality of life. Who needs McDonald's when apparently we can feed on our own pride and false grandeur, with weekly inflation of 2.2%.

In 2014, when Russia annexed Crimea, the middle class lost their jamon and parmiggiano because of Russian counter-sanctions. But Russia supposedly became "great again," according to Vladimir Putin's understanding of the situation and the opinion of the majority of Russians. In 2022, Russia's so-called "military operation" in Ukraine has in the space of two weeks cut it off from the civilized world.

And this is only the beginning. The nation will experience humiliation when it realizes that we don't have our own cars, diapers, baby food and toys because we produce these based on Western technology and imported materials. There will be shortages of medicines, because of dependence on imports, and perhaps even of basic necessities. Not for nothing Russians have rushed to buy sugar and cereals.

But we assure ourselves that we are great, that everyone fears and hates us, and if we hadn't struck preemptively, there would have been NATO troops in Crimea and Donbas. And that's the song many people still sing, though more insecurely these days.

Among some, there is a sense of anger at the world alienating us. And in other instances, the anger is directed at the leader who put us in this position. People with a conscience take to the streets. But there are not many protests, mostly because they are brutally suppressed.

"But that's how you lived under the Soviet Union," my friend, a political scientist from Armenia, remarked to me recently. That's not how it was. At that time, we did not know any other life. We have lived for 30 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, but now we are not moving forward toward a normal market as in the 1990s, but back toward a primitive economy and way of life. It is a journey back in time. Everything we once strived for, we have lost overnight. And by the way, the Soviet Union competed in sporting events under its own flag.

The terrible feeling that haunts those people in my circle -- who now wander around Istanbul like Russian emigrants in the 1920s or who, like me, still remain in Moscow, full of its traffic jams and queues at banks -- is that our freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom to assemble peacefully, have been taken away from us.







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Looks like all main players and their head of FSB 5th department are arrested. Official reason is coruption and false inteligence. 5th department was responsible for inteligence from Ukraine. What`s being said is that spies told Putin what he wanted to hear, not truth.
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kongols wrote:
Looks like all main players and their head of FSB 5th department are arrested. Official reason is coruption and false inteligence. 5th department was responsible for...
Looks like all main players and their head of FSB 5th department are arrested. Official reason is coruption and false inteligence. 5th department was responsible for inteligence from Ukraine. What`s being said is that spies told Putin what he wanted to hear, not truth.
Stalin would be so proud.

We may as well just change the name back to KGB.

The mad-man in-charge said he wanted the Soviet Union back. Well, here it is!
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Boomslang wrote:
Russian reformer Yegor Gaidar. The views expressed in this commentary are his own. Read more opinion articles on CNN. (CNN)Walking through Moscow today, there is an emptiness to places...
Russian reformer Yegor Gaidar. The views expressed in this commentary are his own. Read more opinion articles on CNN.

(CNN)Walking through Moscow today, there is an emptiness to places I have passed countless times over the years. The skyscraper on New Arbat Avenue, which until last week housed the independent radio station "Echo of Moscow" is silent. The McDonald's on Pushkin Square is just as empty.

In one of Moscow's large shopping malls, a woman sits on the floor of a perfume store, raking up all the goods available to her -- from mascara to lipstick. It's both an act of desperation and a farewell to the Western civilization that came to Russia 30 years ago. Now people are realizing: the Russian economy is as naked as the malls emptied of global brands.

In recent years, Russian society has become a mall society. People spend their weekends in these consumer hubs; heading there for walks, visiting restaurants, watching films, and of course shopping. Russia is a consumers' paradise -- especially after the economic growth of the early 2000s -- thanks to high prices for Russian oil and the end of the post-Soviet transitional period.

In these boom times, the general consensus among the middle classes of the big cities has been "yes, we have an authoritarian leader, but why do we need democracy?" Russians, it appeared, were doing just fine without democracy -- we've learned what kinds of wines we like to drink, we're picky about cars and holiday resorts abroad. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, foreign businesses, brands, technology, parts and partners have increased employment, expanded competencies. We are still on our own -- politically and militarily -- but in lifestyle, we are no different from Westerners.

Over the years, McDonald's has become, in the eyes of Russians, associated with youth and low-level managers. Long forgotten was its symbolism -- of the Western world arriving in the USSR. The first McDonald's in Russia opened in Moscow in January 1990, more than a year before the Soviet Union collapsed in December 1991. When McDonald's shuttered this week, it signaled the end of the West in authoritarian Russia. The days of our merry global consumption were over, and it pointed to darker ones ahead.

Of course, compared to the horror happening in Ukraine, the closure of brands looks insignificant. They are just symbols of the economic collapse in Russia, provoked by the invasion -- and subsequent sanctions.

And all because of the autocrat. In Russia and beyond, economic and social systems are collapsing. Perhaps with a little more time, a generation would have grown up that could seriously modernize Russia, even despite the excessive presence of the state. Now, this generation is not just leaving, but fleeing: to Tbilisi, Yerevan, Istanbul, Tel Aviv and elsewhere.

It's not just a feeling that there's gigantic unemployment looming, there's a rolling back of quality of life. Who needs McDonald's when apparently we can feed on our own pride and false grandeur, with weekly inflation of 2.2%.

In 2014, when Russia annexed Crimea, the middle class lost their jamon and parmiggiano because of Russian counter-sanctions. But Russia supposedly became "great again," according to Vladimir Putin's understanding of the situation and the opinion of the majority of Russians. In 2022, Russia's so-called "military operation" in Ukraine has in the space of two weeks cut it off from the civilized world.

And this is only the beginning. The nation will experience humiliation when it realizes that we don't have our own cars, diapers, baby food and toys because we produce these based on Western technology and imported materials. There will be shortages of medicines, because of dependence on imports, and perhaps even of basic necessities. Not for nothing Russians have rushed to buy sugar and cereals.

But we assure ourselves that we are great, that everyone fears and hates us, and if we hadn't struck preemptively, there would have been NATO troops in Crimea and Donbas. And that's the song many people still sing, though more insecurely these days.

Among some, there is a sense of anger at the world alienating us. And in other instances, the anger is directed at the leader who put us in this position. People with a conscience take to the streets. But there are not many protests, mostly because they are brutally suppressed.

"But that's how you lived under the Soviet Union," my friend, a political scientist from Armenia, remarked to me recently. That's not how it was. At that time, we did not know any other life. We have lived for 30 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, but now we are not moving forward toward a normal market as in the 1990s, but back toward a primitive economy and way of life. It is a journey back in time. Everything we once strived for, we have lost overnight. And by the way, the Soviet Union competed in sporting events under its own flag.

The terrible feeling that haunts those people in my circle -- who now wander around Istanbul like Russian emigrants in the 1920s or who, like me, still remain in Moscow, full of its traffic jams and queues at banks -- is that our freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom to assemble peacefully, have been taken away from us.







Make Russia Great Again

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TeamGreen wrote:
Russia, dragging foreign fighters into this...is called... International Escalation And that is as applied to AN INVASION. For allllllll his stupid paranoia about NATO, he sure...
Russia, dragging foreign fighters into this...is called...

International Escalation

And that is as applied to AN INVASION.

For allllllll his stupid paranoia about NATO, he sure looks for ways to drag them into his OWN problems.

Those Polish MiGs? They just became more likely.
More Missile and Artillery Defense Systems? Yup...more of those.
NATO sourced Reapers? (British / Italian)

Vlad is fucking up the end game for his country and, now, a coupl'a others, too.

This, no matter how you slice it, is waaaaay different than VOLUNTEERS going to Ukraine to DEFEND AGAINST A FOREIGN INVASION.

But, I digress.

No-doubt someone will see a reason to come along and defend Vlad's terror campaign.
Did you hear (I think it was the state dept spokesperson) say "Ukraine doesn't need airplanes"
because we are supplying them with x,y,z. Huh? There was a condensed 40 mile convoy just begging
to be blown up. But let's not give them any planes. I wish the media would ask said spokeshole
"when the USA sends Javelins to Ukraine, are they sending those from NATO or USA?"
Because if they are from NATO, you're already in the conflict, and if they are sending them from USA,
what the hell is the difference in escalation factor if you send them Javelins or planes?
Hmm, inquiring minds want to know.
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3/11/2022 11:59am Edited Date/Time 3/11/2022 12:00pm
TeamGreen wrote:
Russia, dragging foreign fighters into this...is called... International Escalation And that is as applied to AN INVASION. For allllllll his stupid paranoia about NATO, he sure...
Russia, dragging foreign fighters into this...is called...

International Escalation

And that is as applied to AN INVASION.

For allllllll his stupid paranoia about NATO, he sure looks for ways to drag them into his OWN problems.

Those Polish MiGs? They just became more likely.
More Missile and Artillery Defense Systems? Yup...more of those.
NATO sourced Reapers? (British / Italian)

Vlad is fucking up the end game for his country and, now, a coupl'a others, too.

This, no matter how you slice it, is waaaaay different than VOLUNTEERS going to Ukraine to DEFEND AGAINST A FOREIGN INVASION.

But, I digress.

No-doubt someone will see a reason to come along and defend Vlad's terror campaign.
ToolMaker wrote:
Did you hear (I think it was the state dept spokesperson) say "Ukraine doesn't need airplanes" because we are supplying them with x,y,z. Huh? There was...
Did you hear (I think it was the state dept spokesperson) say "Ukraine doesn't need airplanes"
because we are supplying them with x,y,z. Huh? There was a condensed 40 mile convoy just begging
to be blown up. But let's not give them any planes. I wish the media would ask said spokeshole
"when the USA sends Javelins to Ukraine, are they sending those from NATO or USA?"
Because if they are from NATO, you're already in the conflict, and if they are sending them from USA,
what the hell is the difference in escalation factor if you send them Javelins or planes?
Hmm, inquiring minds want to know.
TM
I'm with you on this one.

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3/11/2022 12:49pm Edited Date/Time 3/11/2022 12:58pm
Microphone drop. I'm out!

PS THANK YOU
ToolMaker wrote:
Buying oil from Russia isn't a bad thing. Buying oil from Russia is a bad thing. Which is true? Well, it depends on many things. If...
Buying oil from Russia isn't a bad thing.
Buying oil from Russia is a bad thing.
Which is true? Well, it depends on many things.
If one can't understand that the conditions are different, then it's understandable that one can't understand both statements are true, just not at the same time.
Not sure why it left the first quoted post off, but this was related to the first quoted post.
TM
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Damn TM he dropped the mic and left the stage, and you grabbed the PA and summoned him right back.
No I'm done debating in Non Moto. Seeing the down votes for flarider's Nazis are bad post made me realize the lack of character of some of the posters here. I will let the Trump apologists and those who think there are many fine people in the ranks of the white trash present at Charlottesville have their way with Non Moto.

Funny thing is some of these people go to church. Hypocrites of the highest order IMO.
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No I'm done debating in Non Moto. Seeing the down votes for flarider's Nazis are bad post made me realize the lack of character of some...
No I'm done debating in Non Moto. Seeing the down votes for flarider's Nazis are bad post made me realize the lack of character of some of the posters here. I will let the Trump apologists and those who think there are many fine people in the ranks of the white trash present at Charlottesville have their way with Non Moto.

Funny thing is some of these people go to church. Hypocrites of the highest order IMO.
Amazing how you can't even get everyone to agree Nazi's are bad, isn't it?
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ToolMaker wrote:
Buying oil from Russia isn't a bad thing. Buying oil from Russia is a bad thing. Which is true? Well, it depends on many things. If...
Buying oil from Russia isn't a bad thing.
Buying oil from Russia is a bad thing.
Which is true? Well, it depends on many things.
If one can't understand that the conditions are different, then it's understandable that one can't understand both statements are true, just not at the same time.
Not sure why it left the first quoted post off, but this was related to the first quoted post.
TM
GrapeApe wrote:
Damn TM he dropped the mic and left the stage, and you grabbed the PA and summoned him right back.
No I'm done debating in Non Moto. Seeing the down votes for flarider's Nazis are bad post made me realize the lack of character of some...
No I'm done debating in Non Moto. Seeing the down votes for flarider's Nazis are bad post made me realize the lack of character of some of the posters here. I will let the Trump apologists and those who think there are many fine people in the ranks of the white trash present at Charlottesville have their way with Non Moto.

Funny thing is some of these people go to church. Hypocrites of the highest order IMO.
Let's see...

Virtue Signaling
Self-Indulgent Character Comparisons
Name calling...White Trash, Hypocrites...etc.

But, it gets better! He goes full-head-on into Religion.

Dude, you've earned yourself a giant case of absolute dis-respect from those of us that are usually just fine with simply laughing at you; but, you've gone Full Narrative Victim and designated yourself 'The Good Guy'.

Please, feel free to stick around and continue to tell use of your virtue, genius and...of-course...

Your Wisdom.




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No I'm done debating in Non Moto. Seeing the down votes for flarider's Nazis are bad post made me realize the lack of character of some...
No I'm done debating in Non Moto. Seeing the down votes for flarider's Nazis are bad post made me realize the lack of character of some of the posters here. I will let the Trump apologists and those who think there are many fine people in the ranks of the white trash present at Charlottesville have their way with Non Moto.

Funny thing is some of these people go to church. Hypocrites of the highest order IMO.
flarider wrote:
Amazing how you can't even get everyone to agree Nazi's are bad, isn't it?
Your governor, who someone here thinks is the best thing about Florida, and who has designs on the Oval Office.

God help us!

https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-nazi-rally-florida-smear-1674994
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You’re all equal stupid arguing like 5 graders over some stupid shit now for 7 pages. Let it go, we understand, you are all self-appointed experts.
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