New bike day - Stark Varg has arrived!!!!

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5/21/2023 3:41pm
Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and...

Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and used 75% battery. Power started to taper off at about 20% and at less than 15% the power was too low for me to safely hit some of the jumps on the track. Had i started with 100% i would have gone the full 30+2 without power loss. Im thoroughly impressed by this range as its considerably more than my Alta. I can only last about 20 minutes on this traxk before significant power reduction on the Alta. Cahuilla is a fast, loamy track with lots of elevation change, so really a hard test of range on the Varg. Ill be posting the full gopro at some point this coming week.

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That's a fast track if you averaged 43mph

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5/21/2023 3:46pm
Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and...

Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and used 75% battery. Power started to taper off at about 20% and at less than 15% the power was too low for me to safely hit some of the jumps on the track. Had i started with 100% i would have gone the full 30+2 without power loss. Im thoroughly impressed by this range as its considerably more than my Alta. I can only last about 20 minutes on this traxk before significant power reduction on the Alta. Cahuilla is a fast, loamy track with lots of elevation change, so really a hard test of range on the Varg. Ill be posting the full gopro at some point this coming week.

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soggy wrote:

Hell yea man!  Glad it seems to be performing at or near to what they said. Have you been recharging in between sessions?

Yes i always have the bikes on the charger between motos when not riding it. Unless you are a beginner,  you should expect to do the same. 

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5/21/2023 3:47pm Edited Date/Time 5/21/2023 8:25pm
Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and...

Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and used 75% battery. Power started to taper off at about 20% and at less than 15% the power was too low for me to safely hit some of the jumps on the track. Had i started with 100% i would have gone the full 30+2 without power loss. Im thoroughly impressed by this range as its considerably more than my Alta. I can only last about 20 minutes on this traxk before significant power reduction on the Alta. Cahuilla is a fast, loamy track with lots of elevation change, so really a hard test of range on the Varg. Ill be posting the full gopro at some point this coming week.

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Definitely impressive info.  I’m no pro rider and I had the Alta limit power on me less than 20 minutes in at Cahuilla.  

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5/21/2023 4:01pm
Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and...

Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and used 75% battery. Power started to taper off at about 20% and at less than 15% the power was too low for me to safely hit some of the jumps on the track. Had i started with 100% i would have gone the full 30+2 without power loss. Im thoroughly impressed by this range as its considerably more than my Alta. I can only last about 20 minutes on this traxk before significant power reduction on the Alta. Cahuilla is a fast, loamy track with lots of elevation change, so really a hard test of range on the Varg. Ill be posting the full gopro at some point this coming week.

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Your average speed is seriously high for a Mx track, is it really free flowing and wide ? What power setting are you using ? 

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Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and...

Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and used 75% battery. Power started to taper off at about 20% and at less than 15% the power was too low for me to safely hit some of the jumps on the track. Had i started with 100% i would have gone the full 30+2 without power loss. Im thoroughly impressed by this range as its considerably more than my Alta. I can only last about 20 minutes on this traxk before significant power reduction on the Alta. Cahuilla is a fast, loamy track with lots of elevation change, so really a hard test of range on the Varg. Ill be posting the full gopro at some point this coming week.

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Where did you have the power level set ? 
 

curious to see how long it will last in 80HP mode. 

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5/21/2023 4:09pm
Please describe the best motocross bike ever made. Let us know what You are comparing the Varg to. One bike that checks off all of your...

Please describe the best motocross bike ever made. Let us know what You are comparing the Varg to. One bike that checks off all of your requirements for the Varg to be considered the best bike. 

 

burn1986 wrote:
I think what Wass means is “…it’s the best (E)MX bike in the world…” Not sure why this is a debate. Who cares? Everyone knows what...

I think what Wass means is “…it’s the best (E)MX bike in the world…”

Not sure why this is a debate. Who cares? Everyone knows what the bike is and how it performs. 

The way I heard him , it sounded like they were trying to build the best MX bike ever, not just the best electric mx bike.  But he also said that he thought people would be very happy.  To me that was not him saying that they succeeded at building the best bike, but that it is very very close.  I'm not sure if he worded it that way every time or not.  

I'm not arguing that it is or is not the best bike.  I'm making the point that to be the best, you just have to be better than your competition. And based on the early reviews of the pre production bikes , and  production bike, it could be the best bike for a large number of people. 

If Anton was saying that he made the perfect bike . Then Goldmember's arguments would might be more valid.  The lack of sound might be much more important to people than a quick re fueling time and so on.     

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5/21/2023 4:10pm

35 mins and down to 15% power. It's only gonna get worse from here.

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davis224 wrote:

Who else is joining my class action lawsuit because buying a Kawasaki didn't "build" them into a champion?

There was one against Red Bull . People argued that they did not grow wings after drinking a Red Bull.    Red Bull agreed to paying everybody who ever bought a red bull   a one time payment or a free 12 pack or 24 pack . Not sure exactly on the money amount or product amount option. It could have been a red Bull publicity stunt. Not sure but it set a precedent so You might just have something.  Joking about having something of course.  

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Awesome to see some photos and links for videos, and stuff more on track with the subject of the thread. Sorry for derailing that and bringing Goldmembers craziness back into it. I've been out in a skid steer all weekend and just got back to my computer.

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35 mins and down to 15% power. It's only gonna get worse from here.

He didnt start at 100% and for myself a vet rider I think I could do 3x 15 minutes with zero charging , do you have to be negative about it , people said no way can it do 35 minutes, it did ....move on 

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5/21/2023 4:19pm Edited Date/Time 5/21/2023 4:20pm
Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and...

Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and used 75% battery. Power started to taper off at about 20% and at less than 15% the power was too low for me to safely hit some of the jumps on the track. Had i started with 100% i would have gone the full 30+2 without power loss. Im thoroughly impressed by this range as its considerably more than my Alta. I can only last about 20 minutes on this traxk before significant power reduction on the Alta. Cahuilla is a fast, loamy track with lots of elevation change, so really a hard test of range on the Varg. Ill be posting the full gopro at some point this coming week.

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Bryan sorry if i missed it. Where did you have the regen and power level set? Thanks!

 

5/21/2023 4:20pm

35 mins and down to 15% power. It's only gonna get worse from here.

That's on a pretty fast MX track though.  Remember that some people can  run out of gas in a 30 +2  on a hot day with a stock sized tank. Trail riding might be a lot better than you would think. If it kept the battery cooler than moto .  

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35 mins and down to 15% power. It's only gonna get worse from here.

Dont misquote me. 87% down to 12% in 35 minutes. Not 100% down to 12%. I USED 75% worth of battery. I would have gone further if i had the bike fully charged.

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5/21/2023 4:32pm

35 mins and down to 15% power. It's only gonna get worse from here.

It used 75% of the battery. It was only down to 15% because he started with it at 87% and not a full charge.  So it would be down to 25% or so if he started at 100% if my math is correct..........   That would be almost enough to do a local race day ( 3 laps of practice (2) 15 minute motos) in 1 class for a lot of people. And You would never be charging from dead if you started the day at 100% . You might only be charging for 20 or 30 minutes at a time to have the needed power. 

So far it seems to be hitting close to what they have claimed as far as charging speed, runtime,and weight. I can't wait to see it in some local A class races. Hopefully the same guys that raced an Alta will get their hands on a Varg.  

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Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and...

Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and used 75% battery. Power started to taper off at about 20% and at less than 15% the power was too low for me to safely hit some of the jumps on the track. Had i started with 100% i would have gone the full 30+2 without power loss. Im thoroughly impressed by this range as its considerably more than my Alta. I can only last about 20 minutes on this traxk before significant power reduction on the Alta. Cahuilla is a fast, loamy track with lots of elevation change, so really a hard test of range on the Varg. Ill be posting the full gopro at some point this coming week.

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flat4 wrote:

Bryan sorry if i missed it. Where did you have the regen and power level set? Thanks!

 

I was in 60hp mode and engine braking setting of 80% (default setting)

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Dont misquote me. 87% down to 12% in 35 minutes. Not 100% down to 12%. I USED 75% worth of battery. I would have gone further...

Dont misquote me. 87% down to 12% in 35 minutes. Not 100% down to 12%. I USED 75% worth of battery. I would have gone further if i had the bike fully charged.

Bryan, thanks for the updates and clarification! How long would it take to get the battery back to a “raceable” level if you had a second Moto? And not another 30 minute one, just say a 20 minute Moto? And as a general battery question, did you find fast charging affecting the Alta battery life or performance in the past?

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5/21/2023 4:38pm

35 mins and down to 15% power. It's only gonna get worse from here.

Dont misquote me. 87% down to 12% in 35 minutes. Not 100% down to 12%. I USED 75% worth of battery. I would have gone further...

Dont misquote me. 87% down to 12% in 35 minutes. Not 100% down to 12%. I USED 75% worth of battery. I would have gone further if i had the bike fully charged.

That's really awesome and better than I expected but to be honest they haven't tilled Cahuilla very deep in a long time that being said I was not there this weekend but was 2 weeks ago very hard pack underneath the silt ! still really cool👍 congrats on the new bike!!!

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5/21/2023 6:07pm

Great job putting out real world information!

What are you using for charging power at the track? Assume you have a generator, if so, how big and does it charge at the same rate as it does using home power?

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Gravel wrote:
Great job putting out real world information! What are you using for charging power at the track? Assume you have a generator, if so, how big...

Great job putting out real world information!

What are you using for charging power at the track? Assume you have a generator, if so, how big and does it charge at the same rate as it does using home power?

Also curious on how long it took to recharge and did you do a second Moto with the battery being hot?

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Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and...

Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and used 75% battery. Power started to taper off at about 20% and at less than 15% the power was too low for me to safely hit some of the jumps on the track. Had i started with 100% i would have gone the full 30+2 without power loss. Im thoroughly impressed by this range as its considerably more than my Alta. I can only last about 20 minutes on this traxk before significant power reduction on the Alta. Cahuilla is a fast, loamy track with lots of elevation change, so really a hard test of range on the Varg. Ill be posting the full gopro at some point this coming week.

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Something is not adding up. 

The track is only barely over a mile long with a 2 minute lap time so that would be like 16 laps in 35 minute so like 17 miles and you show 26 miles

Also my son was there who is an A rider and said he passed you a few times and here is a shot of his lit pro and he average only has 31.5mph.

Also the lit pro pic shows the track distance and lap time.  

My guess is you rode 9 or so miles on some more wide open ground to get that kind of average speed and miles. i F56657C8-3BE1-4B60-BF44-4972E20E48FC

 

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Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and...

Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and used 75% battery. Power started to taper off at about 20% and at less than 15% the power was too low for me to safely hit some of the jumps on the track. Had i started with 100% i would have gone the full 30+2 without power loss. Im thoroughly impressed by this range as its considerably more than my Alta. I can only last about 20 minutes on this traxk before significant power reduction on the Alta. Cahuilla is a fast, loamy track with lots of elevation change, so really a hard test of range on the Varg. Ill be posting the full gopro at some point this coming week.

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neysbo wrote:
Something is not adding up.  The track is only barely over a mile long with a 2 minute lap time so that would be like 16...

Something is not adding up. 

The track is only barely over a mile long with a 2 minute lap time so that would be like 16 laps in 35 minute so like 17 miles and you show 26 miles

Also my son was there who is an A rider and said he passed you a few times and here is a shot of his lit pro and he average only has 31.5mph.

Also the lit pro pic shows the track distance and lap time.  

My guess is you rode 9 or so miles on some more wide open ground to get that kind of average speed and miles. i F56657C8-3BE1-4B60-BF44-4972E20E48FC

 

Oh dang!

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Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and...

Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and used 75% battery. Power started to taper off at about 20% and at less than 15% the power was too low for me to safely hit some of the jumps on the track. Had i started with 100% i would have gone the full 30+2 without power loss. Im thoroughly impressed by this range as its considerably more than my Alta. I can only last about 20 minutes on this traxk before significant power reduction on the Alta. Cahuilla is a fast, loamy track with lots of elevation change, so really a hard test of range on the Varg. Ill be posting the full gopro at some point this coming week.

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neysbo wrote:
Something is not adding up.  The track is only barely over a mile long with a 2 minute lap time so that would be like 16...

Something is not adding up. 

The track is only barely over a mile long with a 2 minute lap time so that would be like 16 laps in 35 minute so like 17 miles and you show 26 miles

Also my son was there who is an A rider and said he passed you a few times and here is a shot of his lit pro and he average only has 31.5mph.

Also the lit pro pic shows the track distance and lap time.  

My guess is you rode 9 or so miles on some more wide open ground to get that kind of average speed and miles. i F56657C8-3BE1-4B60-BF44-4972E20E48FC

 

Interesting.

Those 2 sets of stats definitely don't jibe.

I wonder if the units displayed on Bryan's phone (miles & mph)  are actually supposed to be km? If you convert them to km, then the times are much more comparable.

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Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and...

Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and used 75% battery. Power started to taper off at about 20% and at less than 15% the power was too low for me to safely hit some of the jumps on the track. Had i started with 100% i would have gone the full 30+2 without power loss. Im thoroughly impressed by this range as its considerably more than my Alta. I can only last about 20 minutes on this traxk before significant power reduction on the Alta. Cahuilla is a fast, loamy track with lots of elevation change, so really a hard test of range on the Varg. Ill be posting the full gopro at some point this coming week.

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neysbo wrote:
Something is not adding up.  The track is only barely over a mile long with a 2 minute lap time so that would be like 16...

Something is not adding up. 

The track is only barely over a mile long with a 2 minute lap time so that would be like 16 laps in 35 minute so like 17 miles and you show 26 miles

Also my son was there who is an A rider and said he passed you a few times and here is a shot of his lit pro and he average only has 31.5mph.

Also the lit pro pic shows the track distance and lap time.  

My guess is you rode 9 or so miles on some more wide open ground to get that kind of average speed and miles. i F56657C8-3BE1-4B60-BF44-4972E20E48FC

 

Interesting. Those 2 sets of stats definitely don't jibe. I wonder if the units displayed on Bryan's phone (miles & mph)  are actually supposed to be...

Interesting.

Those 2 sets of stats definitely don't jibe.

I wonder if the units displayed on Bryan's phone (miles & mph)  are actually supposed to be km? If you convert them to km, then the times are much more comparable.

That would make a lot more sense. Software update incoming…

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Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and...

Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and used 75% battery. Power started to taper off at about 20% and at less than 15% the power was too low for me to safely hit some of the jumps on the track. Had i started with 100% i would have gone the full 30+2 without power loss. Im thoroughly impressed by this range as its considerably more than my Alta. I can only last about 20 minutes on this traxk before significant power reduction on the Alta. Cahuilla is a fast, loamy track with lots of elevation change, so really a hard test of range on the Varg. Ill be posting the full gopro at some point this coming week.

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neysbo wrote:
Something is not adding up.  The track is only barely over a mile long with a 2 minute lap time so that would be like 16...

Something is not adding up. 

The track is only barely over a mile long with a 2 minute lap time so that would be like 16 laps in 35 minute so like 17 miles and you show 26 miles

Also my son was there who is an A rider and said he passed you a few times and here is a shot of his lit pro and he average only has 31.5mph.

Also the lit pro pic shows the track distance and lap time.  

My guess is you rode 9 or so miles on some more wide open ground to get that kind of average speed and miles. i F56657C8-3BE1-4B60-BF44-4972E20E48FC

 

Just to clarify! I never said “I passed the e bike dude.” Paps just asked me for my average time then I told him & said that I didn’t see anybody going on average 15 mph faster than me but maybe the e bike was so quiet I didn’t notice 😂

I did see the guy out there & pointed it out to my girlfriend. Bike seems cool. Don’t bother me but I’m gonna stick with my gas powered dirt bikes for a bit no matter what the stats say about the electric bike & battery, etc. God bless. 

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5/21/2023 7:22pm Edited Date/Time 5/21/2023 7:23pm

Come on guys, 43mph AVERAGE is obviously not right! you'd be doing 60 on the straights and still taking corners at 30 to get that number. 

Those numbers if metric convert to about 16 miles and 27mph.... now that I might believe!

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He mentioned something about the software not yet converting to MPH.

Not sure if this has something to do with all this.

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Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and...

Here you go guys. I did a long 30min moto at Cahuilla Creek Mx today at a decent pace. Started with 87% state of charge and used 75% battery. Power started to taper off at about 20% and at less than 15% the power was too low for me to safely hit some of the jumps on the track. Had i started with 100% i would have gone the full 30+2 without power loss. Im thoroughly impressed by this range as its considerably more than my Alta. I can only last about 20 minutes on this traxk before significant power reduction on the Alta. Cahuilla is a fast, loamy track with lots of elevation change, so really a hard test of range on the Varg. Ill be posting the full gopro at some point this coming week.

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neysbo wrote:
Something is not adding up.  The track is only barely over a mile long with a 2 minute lap time so that would be like 16...

Something is not adding up. 

The track is only barely over a mile long with a 2 minute lap time so that would be like 16 laps in 35 minute so like 17 miles and you show 26 miles

Also my son was there who is an A rider and said he passed you a few times and here is a shot of his lit pro and he average only has 31.5mph.

Also the lit pro pic shows the track distance and lap time.  

My guess is you rode 9 or so miles on some more wide open ground to get that kind of average speed and miles. i F56657C8-3BE1-4B60-BF44-4972E20E48FC

 

NicNak wrote:
Just to clarify! I never said “I passed the e bike dude.” Paps just asked me for my average time then I told him & said...

Just to clarify! I never said “I passed the e bike dude.” Paps just asked me for my average time then I told him & said that I didn’t see anybody going on average 15 mph faster than me but maybe the e bike was so quiet I didn’t notice 😂

I did see the guy out there & pointed it out to my girlfriend. Bike seems cool. Don’t bother me but I’m gonna stick with my gas powered dirt bikes for a bit no matter what the stats say about the electric bike & battery, etc. God bless. 

Toni sent me footage showing you going 78 mph on straights and the speed entering few corners was godly, good jobs and gb you nick 

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